In other words, isn’t being the same person throughout space and time an essential element of what it is to being a human? — Thales
This, despite the fact that an adult human does not consist of the same cells as it did as a baby human. — Thales
In other words, isn’t being the same person throughout space and time an essential element of what it is to being a human? — Thales
No, you just dug an all to familiar philosophical hole.Have I fallen into the abyss? — Thales
Only you can do that. Hint: change your perspective.If so, can someone throw in a lifeline and pull me out? — Thales
By not having questioned your identity in the first place.And if you are able to pull me out, how will you know it’s still me?! — Thales
I am wondering if having “personal identity” is simply part of what it is to be human. This, despite the fact that a newborn baby human looks nothing like its later iteration as a full-grown adult. This, despite the fact that an adult human does not consist of the same cells as it did as a baby human. This, despite the fact that we can find no unchanged “essence” or “mind” or “soul” anywhere.
This, despite the fact that we can find no unchanged “essence” or “mind” or “soul” anywhere.
The finitude of I becomes visible, and approaches the truth of was what we began with, and we experience the circular idea and its universality. — kudos
"the truth of what was" makes no sense here
As to the rest of your post, it seems to rely on Hegelian concepts that I find totally incoherent
To be sure, I think Hegel was an eloquent idiot. But that doesn't affect the lack of coherence here.
When you go to find a trajectory, you still rely on Newtonian mechanics. Is it wrong to rely on things that are sturdy and well-built? — kudos
Have I fallen into the abyss? If so, can someone throw in a lifeline and pull me out? — Thales
Saw your first ship sink and drown from rocking of the boat
And all that could not sink or swim, were just left there to float. — Ship of Fools, Robert Hunter
And if you are able to pull me out, how will you know it’s still me? — Thales
I am he as you are he as you are me
And we are all together — The Beatles
In order to arrive at complete contentment, restrain your ambitions.
For everything which comes into being eventually returns again to the source from which it came.
Each thing which grows and develops to the fullness of its own nature completes its course
by declining again in a manner inherently determined by its own nature.
Completing its life is as inevitable as that each thing shall have its own goal.
Each thing having its own goal is necessary to the nature of things.
He who knows that this is the ultimate nature of things is intelligent; he who does not is not.
Being intelligent, he knows that each has a nature which is able to take care of itself.
Knowing this, he is willing that each thing follow its own course.
Being willing to let each thing follow its own course, he is gracious.
Being gracious, he is like the source which graciously gives life to all.
Being like the gracious source of all, he embodies Nature's way within his own being.
And in thus embodying Nature's way within himself, he embodies its perpetually recurrent principles within himself.
And so, regardless of what happens to his body, there is something about him which goes on forever.
- Translated by Archie J. Bahm, 1958, Chapter 16 — Tao Te Ching
If you study the weather, — unenlightened
The only uniquely human aspect of this is talking about it. — Vera Mont
It materializes out of thin air... — Fire Ologist
Dude, I didn’t read your post yet when I wrote the below. — Fire Ologist
no one believes that hokey stuff anymore. — Metaphysician Undercover
It materializes out of thin air...
— Fire Ologist
Do you really think so? I don't. — Metaphysician Undercover
. — AmadeusD
. — Vera Mont
. — 180 Proof
. — kudos
. — unenlightened
. — Fire Ologist
When we enter into a discussion about “personal identity” – that is, whether or not it makes sense to say that a newborn baby at time t1 and space s1 can be the same person as a full-grown adult at time t2 and space s2 – we agree on the terms we are using (e.g., “same person,” “newborn baby,” “full-grown adult,” etc.).
You don't need to argue about it. You only need to experience it. And if you doubt other people's ability to identify you, try committing a crime and claiming that, since it happened last month, some other guy did it. It's not just a rule; its our modus operandi.There can be no arguments to prove or disprove personal identity. — Thales
How does the reference to the DOJ relate to this discussion? — Paine
That's because "exist" is such a difficult word to agree on. I consider something that exists to be tangible, measurable; real. Concepts do not exist - that is, they have no material reality. They are products of the imagination and of language - which means, open to a great range of interpretations.I find a difference between saying 'personal identity exists' and saying 'we experience the life of being a person.' — Paine
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