I couldn't figure out what its goal is. — Lionino
What do you want and expect from philosophy? — Fooloso4
Has the philosopher outgrown the need for stories? — Fooloso4
Many people have plumbed the depths of this question and determined that there is no such thing as "goodness" and thus that they should do whatever pleases them and is to their advantage.
That is why, in the Phaedo:
— Count Timothy von Icarus
Socrates turns from the problem of the limits of sound arguments to the soundness of those who make and judge arguments. — Fooloso4
But I suppose this brings up Glaucon's question in the Republic, why should we even care about being good or just? — Count Timothy von Icarus
Nice thread, but I couldn't figure out what its goal is. — Lionino
What do you want and expect from philosophy? — Fooloso4
I can't expect anything from philosophy as an activity. — Lionino
to get better at thinking. But it is not for the sake of itself, one could argue that tennis skills can translate to other skills; so getting better at thinking surely translate to many other skills. — Lionino
Philosophers concentrate on identifying assumptions, constructing arguments and assessing their strength – often by conducting so-called 'thought experiments'. For example:
What would you do if you were faced with a particular moral dilemma?
If time travel were possible, could you undo the past?
If your brain were transplanted into someone else's body, would the result be you or them?
If you spoke a different language, would your thoughts be different?
Philosophy requires - and develops - skills in reasoning, imagination and precise communication. Studying philosophy should enable you to assess your own ideas more rigorously, and to understand better why other people’s ideas may differ. — What is Philosophy? - York University
Philosophy graduates often go to work at fields that don't involve any academic philosophy. — Lionino
If you liken it to tennis then it is a game to be won or lost — Amity
, I would just hope that the "philosophy" being done does not turn out to be politics dressing up as philosophy. — Lionino
I didn't liken it in this aspect. — Lionino
I can only expect from myself to score or not. — Lionino
What do you want and expect from philosophy?
— Fooloso4
asks what your goal might be, or, if philosophy is for you something that aims at a goal, and if so, can that goal be reached. Or if even through engagement the aim of the goal has changed. — Fooloso4
Socrates turns from the problem of the limits of sound arguments to the soundness of those who make and judge arguments.
And yet, he does care. The answer to that question matters to him
So your 'scoring' is not about winning a philosophical argument against any other player. — Amity
Why is that a concern for you? And why did you place quotation marks around the word philosophy? — Amity
I didn't say it doesn't. Within the article you find philosophy that is evidently politically motivated. Replace it with any other valid example that comes to mind — Lionino
What do you want and expect from philosophy? — Fooloso4
Has the philosopher outgrown the need for stories? — Fooloso4
You consider this is not philosophy being done but politics? — Amity
The aim, then, of feminist epistemology is both the eradication of epistemology as a going concern with issues of truth, rationality, and knowledge and the undermining of gender categories.
Nancy Tuana (2003) has developed Charles Mills’s concept of “epistemologies of ignorance” by looking at the ways in which ignorance, rather than knowledge, is constructed by studies of sexuality and public school sex education programs.
I'm unsure what a "sound person" is. I would assume it's something like "being ruled by the rational part of the soul." — Count Timothy von Icarus
(376e)So, what would their education consist of? Or is it hard to find anything better than what has been discovered through the passage of time? This, I presume, consists of physical training for the body, and music for the soul.
But if the soundness of the person who judges arguments always only results in nescience and opinion — Count Timothy von Icarus
So, when Nietzsche comes along ... what's the response? — Count Timothy von Icarus
The dialogues aim at different audiences. — Count Timothy von Icarus
(Beyond Good and Evil, Aphorism 30)What serves the higher type of men as nourishment or delectation must almost be poison for a very different and inferior type…. There are books that have opposite values for soul and health, depending on whether the lower soul, the lower vitality, or the higher and more vigorous ones turn to them; in the former case, these books are dangerous and lead to crumbling and disintegration; in the latter, [they are] heralds’ cries that call the bravest to their courage.
[you] should pay little regard to Socrates
Yes, he cares because he hopes Socrates can answer this question — Count Timothy von Icarus
But if all Socrates can offer is "edifying myths" — Count Timothy von Icarus
Have you never felt that someone purpoted to be doing philosophy puts forth a position not because he thinks it is truthful but because it appeals to his political prejudices? — Lionino
I am not sure how you reach the conclusions you do, that this is a pretence, or harmful lies. — Amity
That is not the result, it is the condition from within which we judge.
But that is not all he is doing. Aristotle says the rhetoric is the counterpart to dialectic. The sophists are not the only ones who attempt to persuade us, and it is quite evident that myths can be persuasive. In some causes they can be so persuasive that there are those who believe them to be the truth.
political prejudice, not philosophical prejudice.
And, in my opinion, the best philosophy changes the way you read. For reading can be active form of thinking. — Fooloso4
Right, but you seem to suggest that the "sound person" never gets outside this condition? — Count Timothy von Icarus
But then it seems that if the "sound people" claim that they have found a "better" (more good) way of dealing with this situation they will have to claim to know something of goodness and what is better. — Count Timothy von Icarus
If they're opinions are of equal merit with everyone else's then why would it be profitable to listen to them? — Count Timothy von Icarus
If Socrates is ignorant of the Good, why should it benefit Glaucon to be influenced by Socrates' myths? — Count Timothy von Icarus
If Socrates, in his ignorance, is wrong about the Good, then it seems he might simply be harming Glaucon by convincing him to follow Socrates into his particular brand of ignorance. — Count Timothy von Icarus
Locke for instance is probably motivated in his rejection of innate ideas and the Cambridge Platonists by political concerns. — Count Timothy von Icarus
I don't know how easy it is to separate these — Count Timothy von Icarus
Often I find myself in a kind of dialogue with the ideas ... — Moliere
Nietzsche reads like this — Moliere
But that's still a real pleasure when a text teaches you a different way to read that also opens up the text to a deeper understanding. — Moliere
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