I read the whole post, and chose the bit that was most ridiculous. — Banno
Your claim is that there are no promises. — Banno
Your repeated vindictive and lack of substance — Banno
I am amazed that you haven't been banned. — Janus
There is nothing that exists beyond the act. — AmadeusD
If both parties forget about the promise, what is it that they have forgotten about? Not nothing. They have forgotten about the promise. Hence, there is a promise to be forgotten about, and again the promise exists.if both parties to a 'promise' forget that it was made, the there aren't even these brain states and te claim that the 'promise' still exists becomes risible to the point of perhaps being an indicator of sillygooseness. — AmadeusD
I gather that you would like to argue that promises are brain states? What would that look like? Is the promise the brain state in the head of the promiser, or the promisee? Or both? What about those who hears about the promise - is the promise the sum of all the brain states of everyone who has heard of it?...brain states... — AmadeusD
All I can say is lets hope you aren't quite this fragile in the real world. As with Tobias, I don't care, and nor should you. — AmadeusD
If you're not reading my posts, don't talk about htem - particularly using terms like 'trolling' which you are doing with that exact sentence. Tsk tsk. Civil discourse and all. But, in all honestly Tobias - your posts are crap. This has nothing to do with your mental abilities or you as a human. Your posts are crap. I'm allowed to say that. You taking personal offense is something you're going to need to work on. — AmadeusD
↪Tobias You misunderstood me. No offense, but I'm not interested in pointing out how you misunderstood me, only to have you respond with the same misunderstanding. I'll leave it there. — frank
It is a promise, it is an obligation. — Banno
People make promises. Therefore there are promises. Therefore promises exist. — Banno
I would like to know where I misunderstood you, because indeed that does happen. — Tobias
Well, yes. Except that your rendering misses the direction of fit. That is, "I promise to answer you" places me under an obligation to answer you, and "I promised to answer you" entails that I am obliged to answer you.Are you suggesting that "I promise to do this" means "I am obliged to do this"?
Are you suggesting that "I promise to do this" entails "I am obliged to do this"? — Michael
Yes. In promising you place yourself under an obligation. It's much the same as "I promise to answer you but I will not answer you".Is "I promise to do this but I am not obliged to do this" in some sense a contradiction? — Michael
More than that. "Promises exist" means that there is an illocutionary act that involves placing oneself under an obligation. Such an act occurs in the world, not in some other domain.Does "promises exist" mean the same thing as "people say something like 'I promise to do this'"? — Michael
More than that. "Promises exist" means that there is an illocutionary act that involves placing oneself under an obligation. Such an act occurs in the world, not in some other domain.
Not seeing any ambiguity. — Banno
The linked paper sets out an account that hows how sometimes uttering "I promise to do this" is placing oneself under an obligation. — Banno
DO you thinkt hat one can sincerely say "I promise to answer you but I will not answer you".
I'll let you work through it. — Banno
So this tells me only that you will not be held to your promises. — Banno
OK. You are not a man of your word. — Banno
I did indeed promise to answer your question, but I am under no obligation to do so".
You don't see this as problematic? — Banno
Then I need provide no answer. — Banno
If "...it isn't clear to (you) what obligations are" and you do not think there are such things as obligations, then you are not going to understand what is involved in making a promise. — Banno
But also as previously mentioned, not even Searle's conditions (7) and (8) require one to actually be placed under an obligation; — Michael
So you think that S can intend that the utterance T will place him under an obligation, and utter T, but not thereby consider themself under an obligation. — Banno
↪Michael Do you think that one can sincerely say "I promise to answer you but I intend not to answer you".
I'll let you work through it. — Banno
No. — Michael
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