My personal experience is exactly the opposite.It has become a general belief that more democracy means more freedom. — Eros1982
how are you supposed to be a part of the same "demos" with these (distant to you) people? — Eros1982
What are some places in the world that fit this bill? — RogueAI
Nothing. There are no such countries. In theory, if all cultures and ethnicities were considered equal, without animosities, long-standing rivalries or opposing religions, all you need is a fair and well-articulated constitution on which to build a legal system. A country can be democratic even if the population prefers to live in like-to-like communities. What happens is, the most commonly spoken language becomes the preferred language of trade and commerce. As long as the laws are applied without bias to protect everyone, why should anyone want to curtail other people's freedom?Now we come with the question what happens in countries where there are no dominant cultures and apart from abiding to state laws, no traditions and no values are taken to be the norm. — Eros1982
People can't help but interact in transactions, in work situations, in public places. They don't stay distant or very long in the marketplace, the workplace, the public amenities and entertainments. Even if they begin by forming separate communities, curiosity will drive people to see what the other is like, look at the costumes, enjoy the music, sample the food. And then, of course, you can't keep the young from being attracted to one another, even if their parents are 'distant'.In short, if you live in a country where everyone might look strange or distant to you (you have neither bad feelings nor good feelings toward someone, since the only thing you were taught in your life is that insofar as you don't violate the state laws, you can assume that you are the center of the universe and you definitely do not need to take advise from anyone on what is good and desirable), how are you supposed to be a part of the same "demos" with these (distant to you) people? — Eros1982
Exactly the same way it works in any other country: the people in a district choose a representative, and give that representative a mandate for the interest of that community. If the rights are already equal, the political interest is most likely to be about economic regulations, infrastructure, public and social services - things that don't vary by ethnicity or culture.How is democracy supposed to work in such a scenario — Eros1982
Wiki sez https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_of_World_Liberty_IndexIn my opinion, the best places to live, are the ones where the government simply does not have the means to micromanage people's lives. — Tarskian
What are some places in the world that fit this bill? — RogueAI
In short, [...] how are you supposed to be a part of the same "demos" with these (distant to you) people? How is democracy supposed to work in such a scenario (that seems very plausible in many developed countries)? — Eros1982
You might be right, but theocratists know what they want and they definitely have visions of woman, family, kids, behavior, duties, education, rites, and so on. They may be dead wrong, but they really know what they want (everything comes clear like crystal to their "blind" eyes). — Eros1982
Given this, it’s difficult to reconcile democracy and personal freedom, especially when the vast majority of human beings within these states are under a yoke of some kind, whether it be through taxation, regulation, or the myriad encroachments the state makes into their lives. — NOS4A2
And yet, people are breaking down the door to get into America. — RogueAI
Thailand sounds all right, but the Khmer Rouge wasn't all that long ago. Aren't you worried something like that might happen again and you might get caught up in it? — RogueAI
For some....Even supposedly communist hellholes such as China or Vietnam are more pleasant places to live in. — Tarskian
If you've been in a position to owe - and fail to pay - taxes, to cheat on your wife and rape someone. Not if you're the imported serf who was raped.You will invariably end up having to fend off the tax collector and the divorce-rape judge. — Tarskian
If that one is young, strong, male and economically privileged, yes. Until he gets up the nose of a war-lord, drug lord, or gang.I agree with you. Whenever the state is weak, incompetent, or otherwise cannot reach, one can live relatively free. — NOS4A2
If you've been in a position to owe - and fail to pay - taxes — Vera Mont
to cheat on your wife — Vera Mont
I guess it's just very, very good to be you! — Vera Mont
That is why I would never "date" western again -- which is simply a pile of bullshit -- because in the end it is never about "love". — Tarskian
There is no such country. And it doesn't sound plausible either.Now we come with the question what happens in countries where there are no dominant cultures and apart from abiding to state laws, no traditions and no values are taken to be the norm.
How is democracy supposed to work in such a scenario (that seems very plausible in many developed countries)? — Eros1982
If you're not in love with the person, why bother marrying them? — RogueAI
I would never have married my wife if I had no feelings for her, and vice-versa. — RogueAI
At that point, you don't even know the person. In that case, how can you be in love already? — Tarskian
So, what you can see at first glance, is that she is young, pretty, and eminently suitable to provide you with sexual-tension relief. — Tarskian
Seriously, it is not about "love". It is always about the interests at stake. Only people who have nothing and own nothing can afford to randomly copulate like the animals. — Tarskian
Most people date for awhile. — RogueAI
Most people aren't rich or nobility — RogueAI
Before going further, Let's remember first that democracy is a system of government and a state or a country is a different thing. Even if the OP doesn't take this into account, I think it is very important to understand that "people not feeling part" of a country is a very alarming issue for any state, be it democratic or not.how are you supposed to be a part of the same "demos" with these (distant to you) people? How is democracy supposed to work in such a scenario (that seems very plausible in many developed countries)? — Eros1982
This is something that is argued to happen especially if what is promoted is "multiculturalism". And that multiculturalism destroys the norms, traditions and the values.Now we come with the question what happens in countries where there are no dominant cultures and apart from abiding to state laws, no traditions and no values are taken to be the norm. — Eros1982
A democracy following it's will of it's people will look quite clueless about what they want simply because the people will have different opinions and goals. And this is what always should be remembered about democracies: they appear far weaker than they are.And then you have nations and civilizations which at a point do not know anymore what they want (apart from economic growth). Who do you think will prevail? The crazy theocratists who have some definite goals or the moderate guys whose only daily dilemma is to live a pleasant life (only) or to suicide? — Eros1982
We have very different worldviews priorities! — RogueAI
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