You keep using this word "oppression" but oppression, from the Arab-Muslim perspective, is any Jewish self-determination on that land when it ought to be Muslim land. — BitconnectCarlos
When Gallup last asked Israelis the same question in 2017, 30% believed it would be possible, while the majority (57%) said it would not. — Benkei
The Israelis currently see a two state solution as infeasible because of the current palestinian gazan government/populace which are committed to the destruction of Israel. Give Israel a viable negotiating partner that isn't committed to its destruction and Israel will talk. — BitconnectCarlos
Viable = too weak to get even the minimum of their requirements? — Vera Mont
If Gaza became a state Hamas would be able to import whatever it liked. — BitconnectCarlos
The Israelis currently see a two state solution as infeasible because of the current palestinian gazan government/populace which are committed to the destruction of Israel. Give Israel a viable negotiating partner that isn't committed to its destruction and Israel will talk. — BitconnectCarlos
So, really what's your point? Two people are fighting and they both don't want to stop? So they should continue? That seems the wrong answer. — Benkei
That's a bit of a chicken and egg story and the Palestinians can say the same.
Given that, if you say Israel is a viable negotiation partner then obviously the other side is as well. — Benkei
In other words, Zionists are acting like a bunch of pussies and pretending to be a victim. — Benkei
I doubt they need much instruction beyond the regular Israeli bombardments. — Vera Mont
The whole situation is one of the many dark sides of colonialism. Britain promises everything to everybody in order to further its own war effort and then arbitrarily disenfranchises some of its allies, while enabling other groups. They did the same with natives in North America and Africa a few decades or centuries earlier. All that guff about self-determination went on the scrap heap when the Big Four were carving up Europe after WWI, and and the even bigger three redrew the borders after WWII. — Vera Mont
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Oh fun, let's pretend it's inevitable for two people to bash each other's head in. — Benkei
The reductio of that argument is that genocide is ok. So, yes, it's wrong. And I don't care that they don't care but I (e.g. my country) shouldn't be picking a side as a result. — Benkei
What is Israel supposed to do? You tell me. — BitconnectCarlos
Which "Arabs"? When? Coz, if you want further back, we can consult Deuteronomy.We can go further back: the Arabs colonised Palestine too. — neomac
Hamas isn't asking for reform; it's asking for an end to Jewish self-rule. — BitconnectCarlos
You never view them as people who suffer. Two intifadas and 10/7 mostly directed towards random civilians. Palestinian "resistance" has a habit of that. There is no excuse for those "tactics." — BitconnectCarlos
This is patently false. Hamas has signalled being open for negotiations along the 1967 borders since 2017. — Benkei
No, oppressors don't get sympathy. — Benkei
I want your house, Benkei. I'll be open to negotiations once you grant me your living room. Will you negotiate with me? — BitconnectCarlos
You're okay with killing any number of incidental civilians who happen to live in a town or a city block — Vera Mont
If Israel is committing war crimes so has everyone and maybe war just is war crimes; you do shoot at the enemy, after all. — BitconnectCarlos
We can go further back: the Arabs colonised Palestine too. — neomac
Which "Arabs"? When? Coz, if you want further back, we can consult Deuteronomy.
Of course, that response was to the issue of self-determination, not who settled where in pre-history. — Vera Mont
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