Right now? Well, ok then, pass the Zoom link. :fire: — Baden
Everyone would be able to participate in a league of their peers, and nobody would be paid astronomical sums to play games in deadly, life-threatening earnest. — Vera Mont
You are left without a team, which is where women will be left if forced to compete with men. — Hanover
There is. You are left without a team, which is where women will be left if forced to compete with men. — Hanover
Therefore, as Banno suggested, maybe more partitions or something. — Baden
I guess. Or maybe not. "For instance, most studies have shown that men have a greater proportion of fast-twitch muscle fibers, a difference traditionally attributed to genetics." https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/observations/4-myths-about-testosterone/In sports, hormone testing is the way to go, I guess. — Baden
. As for medical treatment of kids, there has to be major safeguards in place. There's a high suicide risk for trans kids so it's about trying to mitigate potential mental health problems in the least invasive way possible. — Baden
But, where I push back is in deleting prior designations when they continue to have application in particular contexts. — Hanover
What other context? — Moliere
There's a high suicide risk for trans kids so it's about trying to mitigate potential mental health problems in the least invasive way possible. I'm no expert on that. Maybe e. g. frank knows more (at least I think he's in the health industry). — Baden
There is. You are left without a team, which is where women will be left if forced to compete with men.
— Hanover
Hey, some of us are okay playing with the men who chose the alternate gate. We'll make a fine, convivial team and have more fun than the rah-rah-rah elite ones. — Vera Mont
How would this thread be different if it were entitled "What is a real man?" — Banno
"Data indicate that 82% of transgender individuals have considered killing themselves and 40% have attempted suicide, with suicidality highest among transgender youth... Interpersonal microaggressions, made a unique, statistically significant contribution to lifetime suicide attempts and emotional neglect by family approached significance. School belonging, emotional neglect by family, and internalized self-stigma made a unique, statistically significant contribution to past 6-month suicidality." — frank
The fun won't last long when every woman is cut, that is, when all the coaches realize that the only way to compete is by filling the roster with men. — Merkwurdichliebe
Have you actually met any people of any sex, or are you just going by magazine models? — Vera Mont
And why is sport such a fetish? — Banno
But, where I push back is in deleting prior designations when they continue to have application in particular contexts. — Hanover
What do magazine models have to do with making a roster? — Merkwurdichliebe
isn't this another example of addressing the wrong issue? It's not being trans that is wrong here, but being a rapist.I don't have any statistics, but if you look on the web you'll see instances of people who call themselves transgender women raping other women. How many do there have to be before it is too many? The vast majority of men would not rape women if they shared bathrooms with them. — T Clark
Why? And further, how can they tell that the other folk in their restroom are trans? Is this an argument for better makeup for trans folk? Or do women in restrooms routinely look at each others genitals?Is it reasonable for women to object to sharing bathrooms and locker rooms with trans women. — T Clark
No more, in fact, than making up a league of peers for any given sport. — Vera Mont
isn't this another example of addressing the wrong issue? It's not being trans that is wrong here, but being a rapist.
Let's address the actual problem. — Banno
The rules and ideas about fairness we establish regarding competition are cooperation norms. — Mark S
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