Tacit vs. explicit. — Banno
I have, multiple times, to you and in anther more interesting discussion with @Moliere.Will you ever answer this question? — Luke
I've spent a few days trying to get the lick for Mannish Boy right. I'm after something like the the Johnny Winter sound, but have a Gretch semi rather than a Fender. Playing with the gain I can get a satisfactory sound, but it's missing something, which I think is an overdub of a bass run. Or it might be keys. — Banno
Unstated or unstateable? — Banno
Is there something about the lick that cannot be said? — Banno
And after pages of discussion, if that's the case, then I'm thinking you don't understand your question either. — Banno
if tacit knowledge is effable, then why is it not included in the explicit instructions in the first place? — Luke
What this whole discussion misses is the interplay between the words and the world; it's not that the tacit knowledge is off by itself somewhere, but is there in the "a bit more gain, and a little reverb", said or done. — Banno
indeed, which is it? The position of the knob or the timing of a note are tacit yet stateable. — Banno
An argument later considered and dismissed, since it is a simple issue to state things that have hitherto been unstated.Tacit knowledge is a candidate for the ineffable. — Banno
...or that roll-on to two strings, not one as is more common, with an immediate pull-off... so that the fourth string is muted.What appeared to be the ineffable bit is just the doing, the getting on the bike and riding it. — Banno
Hence that which is tacit is not thereby ineffable. — Banno
Or, suppose we had a list of the instructions for riding a bike, to whatever detail we desire. Would we then know how to ride a bike? Well, no. So what is missing? Just, and only, the riding of the bike. — Banno
An argument later considered and dismissed, since it is a simple issue to state things that have hitherto been unstated.
What appeared to be the ineffable bit is just the doing, the getting on the bike and riding it. — Banno
Bear in mind that the act of riding or playing is not knowledge. You might say this demonstrates knowledge. Okay, then what knowledge does it demonstrate that cannot be made explicit and included in the instructions on how to play/ride? — Luke
The question I've put to you numerous times now is why that knowledge is not included in the instructions.
— Luke
And i've answered you, repeatedly, with examples, that it can be, and that's what makes the tacit knowledge explicit. — Banno
The experience [of riding a bike] neither adds to, nor is, one's knowledge of riding a bike. — Banno
It's not a matter of imprecision. It's that everything is actually ineffable. Speech with a lack of clear reference is never about anything in particular. — frank
So what knowledge is missing from the instructions? — Luke
None.
What's missing is the riding of the bike.
That was my point way back on page one. — Banno
Or, suppose we had a list of the instructions for riding a bike, to whatever detail we desire. Would we then know how to ride a bike? Well, no. So what is missing? Just, and only, the riding of the bike. — Banno
The experience [of riding a bike] neither adds to, nor is, one's knowledge of riding a bike. — Banno
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