Oh look. Human rights abuses match...wait for it...wealth. Not ideology, not Western culture, not NATO... Money. — Isaac
So what effect do we think Ukraine's now enormous debt is going to have on human rights? — Isaac
This view overlooks the long history of NATO shedding it's Cold-War roots and focusing on "new threats" and that Russia was for a long time tried to be connected to the European security system and with Russia even being in the then G8 and having a "Partnership for Peace" relation with the US / NATO. — ssu
I follow the New York Times and I didn't see such a claim published there. This would have been front page news everywhere if true. Notably, there is no link or any other reference. — SophistiCat
No. You literally said that Costa Rica is outside of the Western sphere of influence.So hang on. Your counter argument is seriously that country with a human rights record below Costa Rica is responsible for the human rights improvements in Costa Rica? — Isaac
Yes, that would have been breaking news everywhere if confirmed. — Paine
The Ukrainian special forces immediately admitted having carried out the attack to the New York Times. — World Socialist Web Site
The official, speaking on the condition of anonymity because of a government ban on discussing the blast, added that Ukraine’s intelligence services had orchestrated the explosion — New York Times
I think it overlooks the fact that the US helped provoke this war, and that this is also a great opportunity to weaken an enemy by proxy — all under the cover of merely helping the underdogs who are being attacked by a madman.
— Xtrix
Which in the end you cannot disprove. — ssu
The administration could still throw its weight behind negotiations. — Xtrix
Or rather, let others do it, and quietly encourage them. — Olivier5
If the US was seen as pushing for negotiations, it would weaken Ukraine's hand in those negotiations. — Olivier5
And for our country, this is ultimately a matter of life and death, a matter of our historical future as a people. And this is not an exaggeration: it is true. This is a real threat not just to our interests, but to the very existence of our state, its sovereignty. — Putin · Feb 24, 2022
Ironically perhaps, Putin's war has put Russia at risk. — jorndoe
It is a break in established policy for either of the sources to speak of it. If it was an anonymous senior official, that could be an intended leak. — Paine
I don't see the value in doing that since it helps the Moscow messaging. — Paine
Do you have a link from the Times story? I cannot find it. — Paine
the NYT - https://www.nytimes.com/2022/10/08/world/europe/ukraine-crimea-bridge-explosion.html
A senior Ukrainian official corroborated Russian reports that Ukraine was behind the attack. The official, speaking on the condition of anonymity because of a government ban on discussing the blast, added that Ukraine’s intelligence services had orchestrated the explosion, using a bomb loaded onto a truck being driven across the bridge. — Isaac
It may very well be true that the US should just stay out of the way altogether. I would prefer to see them push for negotiations, quietly or otherwise. If done in good faith, I don't think their involvement would be a dealbreaker. — Xtrix
doesn't look like Putin is going anywhere. — jorndoe
What do you think of a neutral Ukraine? — jorndoe
Appeasement was the lesson of WW2 wasnt it? — schopenhauer1
frank
Just saying, I wonder what the controversy is? Appeasing or not appeasing right? — schopenhauer1
The controversy in this thread? It's hard to say. I've asked, and I don't get back anything that makes sense to me. It's maybe just people expressing their angst about war crimes and war profiteers. There's a fair amount of people assuming everyone else is naive about the agendas that give rise to mass events.
I think that expressing angst about all the victims involved is why I'm here. — frank
frank
Ah gotcha, war profiteering. It’s all staged so that military industrial complex makes money they’re saying? — schopenhauer1
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