Why do I have to "coexist peacefully" with an unjust medieval tradition? — absoluteaspiration
I want to live in a society where I'm free to tell the world the pain I suffered because of their hypocrisy.
, you know, they might be Rushdie fans who are afraid to speak out. — absoluteaspiration
And what I see more so unfortunately is an attempt to derail the thread into one over hypocrisy and strained attempts at moral equivalency — Hanover
as opposed to better understanding why a religious leader would send marching orders to murder an author
And I'm really not coming after you so much for this, but just responding to you from how another poster who I generally ignore has responded in the hopes of better explaining my position.
Anyway, I'm fine with emotion, passion and hostility when it comes to things like this that matter. — Hanover
I've already stated this the best I could, which is that my best guess is that there is not the impetus upon public condemnation within that community that there is other communities, and I'm not clear exactly where that arises from. — Hanover
I think they should at the very least reform their tradition. — absoluteaspiration
You seem to be under the impression that Muslims irrationally defend Islam whenever possible.
7That's why it's important for religious leaders to speak up. It's their job to go full MLK Jr and shout "Let freedom ring!" — Tate
So you asked what I meant earlier and I didn't respond — Hanover
Is there a duty to speak truth to power, damn the consequences? — Hanover
Surely, after Trump's America, you have some experience with how demoralizing conservative hypocrisy can be. — absoluteaspiration
I Googled looking for the Muslim reaction to the attack and found nothing in the way of Muslim leadership condemning it. — Hanover
You used the word "community". I still don't know what community you mean. In the US? The global community? Iran? Shiites? — Tate
Violence against gay people used to be very common. — absoluteaspiration
That's why I responded to you as I did. Where was all this ground lost and then needing re-plowed? — Hanover
When people behave in ways that one thinks are anti-social, uncivilized, or immoral, one must condemn it. One must disavow the unacceptable action. — Bitter Crank
The guy you banned spent some time explaining how fragmented Islam is. Then you mentioned "that community.". I see now that I was supposed to read that as the global Muslim community, which the guy you banned said doesn't really exist, which is true. — Tate
Until the 20th century, Europeans considered Muslims to be notorious sodomites — absoluteaspiration
Western" morality is ambiguous phrasing. Free speech was not considered a right in the West until enlightenment thinkers like Locke. A lot of these enlightenment thinkers like Voltaire were inspired by their idea of "Turkish society", where they believed multiple religions lived and worked side by side. That was an exaggeration, but not incorrect as a comparative statement vis a vis Europe at the time. — absoluteaspiration
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