The worship of an alien super advanced and super "intelligent" species (the omniscient and omnipotent gods) who have created us in their super computer. — EugeneW

And again, in what ways have you witnessed this 'worship,' displayed?
Have you simply heard individuals talking about what you have typed above or do they sing and pray about it?

Cheers mate! You hang over from last night,? :smile: — EugeneW

I am quite lucky on the 'hangover' front. I don't seem to suffer much the next day, no matter how much I drink. Tongue like a carpet and a bit groggy but a strong coffee and I'm pretty much 'back.'
Hope you had a good night yourself! :smile:

In the labs they even beg nature!........... — EugeneW

Such 'exaggeration' and 'added emotion,' are just attempts to bolster your viewpoint but they are just meaningless and unimpressive to me.

Our friend Dawkins want to be famous — EugeneW

I will let Mr Dawkins answer for himself when it comes to whether or not he covets fame.
I personally don't think he does but I haven't asked him and I haven't watched an interview where he does discuss it directly. I did watch a session where he reads out all the hate mail he gets from theists and just general individuals who don't like him. It was quite entertaining.

Scientists are people who 'specialize' in fields of what otherwise are part of regular human existence.
— Gregory A
and your point is....... — universeness

The point is we don't need science to attach a head to a stick to make a spear, these are natural progressions, not things handed to us by scientists. It's the other way around in fact science owes its existence to the human need for discovery. .

I will let Mr Dawkins answer for himself when it comes to whether or not he covets fame.
I personally don't think he does but I haven't asked him and I haven't watched an interview where he does discuss it directly. I did watch a session where he reads out all the hate mail he gets from theists and just general individuals who don't like him. It was quite entertaining. — universeness

It's a cultural thing (regardless of where he was born) the/you Brits are more likely to stand up and want to be acclaimed compared to say the Americans with their modesty and respect (the legacy of a strong Christian past).

And again, in what ways have you witnessed this 'worship,' displayed? — universeness

What exactly do you mean by worshipping? Singing praying and bend in awe? Then no. That's not to be seen in science as they have no gods to worship. They onky have nature to beat into submission. To make up for the lack.

personally don't think he does but I haven't asked him and I haven't watched an interview where he does discuss it directly. I did watch a session where he reads out all the hate mail he gets from theists and just general individuals who don't like him. It was quite entertaining. — universeness

I'm sure he likes that mail. So he can proof his point.

It would be the nature of the syndrome not who it would be named after that matters. And Oswald's first name was Lee, not Lee-Harvey — Gregory A

I don't really care about getting his name structure correct in your eyes. The 'syndrome' of which you type is a conflated invention from your own musings and in my opinion, it has no relevance or significance whatsoever to the life of Richard Dawkins.
Oswald himself when interviewed in his earlier years rejected the term communist and
preferred Marxist. Communism and socialism are badly abused terms in capitalist America, culminating in the heinous actions perpetrated by McCarthyism. Some Americans are trying to show the rest that the two terms do not represent anything near what they have been told.
Many 'philosophers' on this site often cite the 'communes of Epicurus,' as a model of a good way to begin and run a human civilisation.

And who wants to be infamous — Gregory A

Fame and infamy are assigned to or removed from an individual by 'the masses,' regardless of the wishes of the individual involved. There is no doubt that some people actively seek and covet such as fame. Some also love infamy. Many people are often attracted to being considered notorious for example and notoriety is a sibling of infamy in my opinion. Such words are far more nuanced than you suggest.

Oswald thought he was doing the right thing by communist standards killing an enemy — Gregory A

Which 'communist standard' are you referring to? The epicurean communist standard, the hippy communist standard? The communist standard of Castro or the communist standard of each person that lives in Cuba/Russia/China that you have personally met and talked politics with? Or are you just spouting political generalisations? Nixion was just another narcissist, we have a large supply of them, in every generation.

What exactly do you mean by worshipping? Singing praying and bend in awe? Then no. That's not to be seen in science as they have no gods to worship. They onky have nature to beat into submission. To make up for the lack — EugeneW

It was you who associated the word 'worship' with atheists and scientists, not me.

I'm sure he likes that mail. So he can proof his point. — EugeneW

Well, it's a legitimate way of dealing with his haters if you ask me. Well done Richard!

science as they have no gods to worshi — EugeneW

You suggested science and nature are seen by scientists as equivalent to god(s)
I disagree, as scientists do not apply the Omnis to science or nature and they don't worship science or nature in any way that resembles theistic worship.

You suggested science and nature are seen by scientists as equivalent to god(s) — universeness

Indeed. But their prayers are to a dead god. The god "they" worship is nature itself. Im a scientist too (as you probably know...) but I don't worship nature nor the gods. Im just admiring their beautiful creation and love knowing about it.

It was you who associated the word 'worship' with atheists and scientists, not me. — universeness

Well, they worship the holy science books and the holy words in science festivals. The upper priest of science gather to spread the words and to proselytize.

I disagree, as scientists do not apply the Omnis to science or nature and they don't worship science or nature in any way that resembles theistic worship. — universeness

The worshipping isnt manifest. It hides in the minds of scientists and they secretly worship. It is not done to openly worship. That would be a sign of weakness.

Oswald thought he was doing the right thing by communist standards killing an enemy
— Gregory A

Which 'communist standard' are you referring to? The epicurean communist standard, the hippy communist standard? The communist standard of Castro or the communist standard of each person that lives in Cuba/Russia/China that you have personally met and talked politics with? Or are you just spouting political generalizations? Nixion was just a — universeness

The Cold War communist standards at the time. Oswald would have needed to believe he was doing something good and would become famous because of his actions. The reality is that had his plans worked out and he escaped he probably would have been successfully extradited from whatever country he took shelter in.

The point is we don't need science to attach a head to a stick to make a spear, these are natural progressions, not things handed to us by scientists. — Gregory A

I see no difference between the actions, discoveries and utility of science and the actions, discovery and utility of the spear. Natural progression is a term that fits better with terms like 'evolution' and 'natural selection,' not science, in my opinion.

It's the other way around in fact science owes its existence to the human need for discovery. . — Gregory A

Humans do science, science makes discoveries, humans like discoveries, you can play with the order any way you like. You add nor subtract anything of significance by doing so.

It's a cultural thing (regardless of where he was born) the/you Brits are more likely to stand up and want to be acclaimed compared to say the Americans with their modesty and respect (the legacy of a strong Christian past). — Gregory A

I do not consider myself a 'Brit,' I am Scottish. The need for acclamation is not cultural or national, it is individual. I watched a series on the humble Amish and even within their community there are those who are 'more acclaimed' within the Amish community itself, compared to others in the same community and some of those more acclaimed individuals seemed to covet their influential status.
The caricature of the arrogant fame/wealth/power-seeking American is well known if not indeed exaggerated and conflated as all caricatures of nationality, normally are.

Mental Masturbation is a thing.

Look it up on your Google Machine.

You boys are getting all icky together.

Nasty mfs.

Well, they worship the holy science books and the holy words in science festivals. The upper priest of science gather to spread the words and to proselytize. — EugeneW

I don't hear scientists call any science book 'holy,' they prove this by constantly challenging and reviewing their contents. If science acted as religion does then you would most likely be a scientific apostate and under some scientific law (like sharia law in Islam) you could be killed for your scientific torus heresy.

The worshipping isnt manifest. It hides in the minds of scientists and they secretly worship. It is not done to openly worship. That would be a sign of weakness. — EugeneW

This just comes from your own musings EugeneW. This is an example of the kind of typing from you that I DO think is based on your bitterness towards the current influential Cosmologists not responding to you with the consideration you feel you deserve. The DIMP guy and the Klien Bottle/Mobius guy felt the exact same way as you do minus your wink towards theism.

By the Cold War communist standards at the time. Oswald would have needed to believe he was doing something good and would become famous because of his actions. — Gregory A

Maybe he was just a nutter or a patsy as he claimed.

The reality is that had his plans worked he probably would have been successfully extradited from whatever country he took shelter in. — Gregory A

Jack Ruby saved everyone the bother so what does it matter?

You boys are getting all icky together. — Joe Mello

Meethinks the old guy doth protest too much.....poor ol Joe....we can make space for you if you want to join us...you don't have to play hard to get....just join in Joe.......anytime......you're welcome. :naughty:

Mental Masturbation is a thing. — Joe Mello

It sure it is, uncle Crazy Mello Joe! Im sure you know everything about it. Im sure you practice a lot! What are your thoughts while mentally blowing yourself?

I do not consider myself a 'Brit,' I am Scottish. The need for acclamation is not cultural or national, it is individual. I watched a series on the humble Amish and even within their community there are those who are 'more acclaimed' within the Amish community itself, compared to others in the same community and some of those more acclaimed individuals seemed to covet their influential status.
The caricature of the arrogant fame/wealth/power-seeking American is well known if not indeed exaggerated and conflated as all caricatures of nationality, normally are. — universeness

The Americans have been seeing themselves on TV since the 50's, the Brits mostly didn't have TVs then. An American thinks nothing of attention as they have everything they need and the Christian element enforces modesty. The British music invasion could only go the one way. The need for acclaim (and talent) drove things in that direction. Fame would only be incidental to those who are taught that 'success' is part of the American way. I'm not knocking anyone including the Brits, the need for acclaim combined with talent gave the world some of its best music. Annie Lennox's song 'Love is a Stranger' could have been done by an American? I don't think so.

I don't hear scientists call any science book 'holy,' they prove this by constantly challenging and reviewing their contents — universeness

That's part of the doctrine. But what about the dogma of molecular biology?

By the Cold War communist standards at the time. Oswald would have needed to believe he was doing something good and would become famous because of his actions.
— Gregory A

Maybe he was just a nutter or a patsy as he claimed.

The reality is that had his plans worked he probably would have been successfully extradited from whatever country he took shelter in.
— Gregory A

Jack Ruby saved everyone the bother so what does it matter? — universeness

The point had been that Oswald was out of touch, driven by personal, non-political, goals

Ruby's actions reveal the biggest personal threat the modern-day patriarch has. The male who will as an act of chivalry kill his fellow males, those who challenge the female domination process, the feminists in women's clothing thing.

This just comes from your own musings EugeneW. This is an example of the kind of typing from you that I DO think is based on your bitterness towards the current influential Cosmologists not responding to you with the consideration you feel you deserve. The DIMP guy and the Klien Bottle/Mobius guy felt the exact same way as you do minus your wink towards theism — universeness

That's you projecting on me. Do you really think I care for some cosmologists not responding? I pity them arrogant bastard! Safely in their self erected towers of scientific ivory. I dont even try anymore to reach out (I asked a question on the podcast. No reply. Why not? Because I know things they dont and they are afraid of the unknown. Ooookhhh. Someone going against established order. They cant have someone knowing it better. But they cant prevent me thinking my thoughts. And I just know what the cosmos looks like on the fundamental level, unlike them, in their oh so important search for quantum gravity, or whatever silly approach. Like string theory. Nice theory but totally besides the truth. A fancy full fairytale. And they are content. So let them be happy. Let them wallow in their self-assigned importance and people watching in awe as if they are the possessors of some deep unknown truth knowable to the chosen ones, the lucky few only. There's your worshipping. It's the scientists that are worshipped...

Maybe he was just a nutter or a patsy as he claimed. — universeness

Maybe Dawkins is one too. Without claiming it though... A mental case, a sufferer from a psychosis. Atheist psychosis.

This just comes from your own musings EugeneW — universeness

That's how it actually is. They unconsciously worship. Why else should they be so condemning of atheism? Because theists worship something they cant understand and threatens their position? Because misery flows from theism. Hands cut off and stoning? Like I said, I can give you more examples of misery caused by science.

An Ellipsis is ALWAYS a set of three dots.

After a period at the end of a sentence, an ellipsis is part of a set of four dots, but still three dots.

If you’re gonna write all day long to pleasure yourself, learn how to write correctly.

No serious academic will read messy uneducated writing because there is ALWAYS a messy uneducated person behind it.

… understand?

By the Cold War communist standards at the time. Oswald would have needed to believe he was doing something good and would become famous because of his actions.
— Gregory A

Maybe he was just a nutter or a patsy as he claimed. — universeness

Many political assassinations are not actually politically motivated. Instead done by people wanting a place in history. Oswald wanted to show he was someone, his defection and return not enough he turned to assassination the first of which failed, being armed and then to be presented with a once in a lifetime opportunity that working in the book depository gave he could hardly do anything other than assassinate the President. .

An American thinks nothing of attention as they have everything they need — Gregory A

Yeah, I have heard all those black and Hispanic people living in the American ghettos are having a fab time and 'have everything they need.' Do you visit and walk through them at night without fear on a regular basis? The indigenous American tribal peoples are also very happy with their treatment since we Europeans stole their lands and named the whole place after an Italian mapmaker.
Where have you lived your life Gregory A in a Beverly hills bubble?
I don't know your back story but you do seem to have some naive viewpoints in my opinion.
I don't want to throw too many stones at you however as I am certainly not without sin myself.
Sin in my own non-religious definition, of course.

That's part of the doctrine. But what about the dogma of molecular biology — EugeneW

I don't associate words like 'doctrine' and 'dogma' with science/biology, you do. For me, Science is a methodology used to pursue knowledge.

That's you projecting on me. Do you really think I care for some cosmologists not responding? I pity them arrogant bastard! Safely in their self erected towers of scientific ivory. I dont even try anymore to reach out (I asked a question on the podcast. No reply. Why not? Because I know things they dont and they are afraid of the unknown. Ooookhhh. Someone going against established order. They cant have someone knowing it better. But they cant prevent me thinking my thoughts. And I just know what the cosmos looks like on the fundamental level, unlike them, in their oh so important search for quantum gravity, or whatever silly approach. Like string theory. Nice theory but totally besides the truth. A fancy full fairytale. And they are content. So let them be happy. Let them wallow in their self-assigned importance and people watching in awe as if they are the possessors of some deep unknown truth knowable to the chosen ones, the lucky few only. There's your worshipping. It's the scientists that are worshipped... — EugeneW

All I can suggest is that you read the words you typed above back to yourself in as calm and subjective a manner as you can. Decide if you think your own words might read as bitter and angry when others read them.

Many political assassinations are not actually politically motivated. Instead done by people wanting a place in history. — Gregory A

Yeah, I know, I agree but this fact just points to the fact that many humans have mental problems.
We all know this.

You do get inebriated with your own verbosity Joe!

An Ellipsis is ALWAYS a set of three dots.

After a period at the end of a sentence, an ellipsis is part of a set of four dots, but still three dots. — Joe Mello

Everything okay, uncle Joe? Im a bit worried actually. Do they let you walk in the fresh outside air once in a while? Can you walk unguidedly already? Try start conversation with the inmates! Will do you good! Good for your thinking! If there is anything you need or want me to come along, you can always ask that sweet nurse to call me!

Best wishes, cousin Eugene.