You're confusing his anti-Western stance for being pro-Putin. — baker
"You're denying the agency of Ukrainians!"
This is a line you've probably had bleated at you by propagandized empire livestock if you've engaged in online debate about the role western powers have played in paving the way to this war. ... Imperial narrative managers have even been working overtime to make the word "westsplaining" happen, which is their progressive-sounding term for when one makes the self-evident observation that western powers influence world events. Mainstream westerners are actively trained to regurgitate lines like "Stop westsplaining to Ukrainians about coups and proxy conflicts! You're denying their agency!"
Well, I'm saying it. This is a proxy war. Kyiv is a puppet regime. Ukraine does not have independent agency in any meaningful way. This is not the fault of the Ukrainian people, who are obviously far and away the greatest victims of the Russian invasion, but of the giant western power structure which deliberately worked to take away the nation's agency many years before the invasion took place. I mean, my god. The US and its allies are pouring billions of dollars worth of weapons into Ukraine from around the world, the CIA has been training Ukrainians to kill Russians, the US intelligence cartel is directly sharing military intelligence with Kyiv as we speak, and this follows US-backed coups in Ukraine in 2014 and in 2004 before that. This is a proxy war. This is exactly the thing that a proxy war is. The only "agency" Ukraine has is the Central Intelligence kind.
...The US power alliance does not care about Ukraine's sovereignty beyond what measures need to be taken to actively subvert it. When people object to criticisms of the way the empire has actively robbed Ukrainians of any real agency, what they are actually doing is defending the most powerful empire that has ever existed from attempts to highlight its malfeasance... Denying the western role in subverting Ukrainian sovereignty doesn't benefit ordinary Ukrainians, it hurts them. You can't fix a problem you don't understand, and until there's widespread understanding of the way the US empire uses proxies to advance its agendas of global domination, nothing can be done to stop these ugly proxy wars from happening.
Neither Isaac or @StreetlightX or anybody else is saying such obvious pro-Putin arguments and willing to carve up Ukraine. Nobody else promotes such views. — ssu
Yeah, I mean, those primitive people over there have no agency of their own, do they? They are nothing but pawns of the powerful. They couldn't have risen up against a corrupt and oppressive regime without Nulland engineering the whole thing. They wouldn't even dream of resisting an invasion by a force that threatens their existence as a people without great powers "convincing" them to fight. — SophistiCat
And how well you know these independent states of Luhansk and Donetsk? — ssu
Like any other US puppet regime, Ukraine doesn’t have any real independence. Kiev has been actively pushed to confront Russia by every US administration, against the will of the majority of Ukrainian people.
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The support for Ukraine that fills the Western media now is not out of real solidarity with the people of Ukraine. If that were the case, the US wouldn’t have overthrown our government twice in a decade; it wouldn’t have supported the policies that made us the poorest country in Europe; it wouldn’t have fueled a brutal civil war for the past eight years.
The reason US media outlets and politicians are all backing Ukraine now is because they want to use the Ukrainian military and civilian population as cannon fodder in a proxy war with a political adversary.
People are not given agency because you're offended by the suggestion they don't have it. — Isaac
It seems the Ukrainians are successfully dismantling the group west of Kyiv, and have retaken Irpin.
An intercepted phone call recording was released by Ukraine’s Security Service late Tuesday, indicating total disarray on the Russian side in this area.
Ukrainians have agency alright. The Russians, not so much. An army of slaves. — Olivier5
Documented, recorded, with satellite images backing it... — Olivier5
2. Keep fighting revolutions to make it not matter what government they are under the control of.
The latter has the advantage of freeing millions more from misery — Isaac
Yes, they seem to try to encircle the Russian forces. This I think could be the first major operation as the counterattacks before have been tactical ones. But seems like at least for a while, the push towards Kyiv by the Russian forces has halted and they are on the defensive.It seems the Ukrainians are successfully dismantling the group west of Kyiv, and have retaken Irpin.
An intercepted phone call recording was released by Ukraine’s Security Service late Tuesday, indicating total disarray on the Russian side in this area. — Olivier5
After Putin's stadium performance, flags dumped into garbage. Sometimes a picture tells a lot, actually. — ssu
Of course you don't. And these people came all with their own flags to the stadium, which they cherish so much. — ssu
Of course. I'd agree it's likely, but the probability of it being fake isn't zero. And even if it's simply thoughtlessness of those who cleaned up the stadium, it still shows that in an authoritarian system you cannot be sure just how original or astro-turf public support is.I'm pretty confident the REUTERS picture happened. Not so much about the dumpster. It's possible and even likely, I'm just saying that there's plenty of proof out there of fake pictures and videos. — Benkei
I object to your assessment of Ukraine. — Isaac
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