Moi? I have been accused of war cheerleading here more often than I care to count. The words roll off the tongue of your buddies day and night. And when for the first time I return them the compliment, I'm the one to blame?
That's called a double standard. — Olivier5
Oh. So you think the "denazification" of Ukraine will be so easy at the end of a rifle?Putin has not made promises that can't be kept: like "democratize" Ukraine at the end of a rifle. — boethius
Whopee! That sounds like fun. All this for a land bridge!!! :roll:Putin has already achieved the land bridge to Crimea and if the Dombas front collapses and territory pushes out regions border, Putin can just sit on this territory and shell to oblivion anything that approaches while continuing to strike command and control and logistics infrastructure. — boethius
Of course. Those tens of thousands of anti-tank weapons being pushed in Ukraine won't mean a thing. Perhaps those 20 000 or so volunteers will come back after they have had an exiting weekend too.What the Kremlin has learned from previous episodes, is that Western "Unity" is only ever short lived and only ever exists on social media and not in any tangible form. — boethius
Well, Syria actually didn't get much if any support. The US was fearful of giving arms to possibly Islamist extremists. Hence this outcome, which just reeks to extensive corruption and pocketing of taxpayers money:Winning the social media culture war ... doesn't win a real war, is the main lesson to be drawn from Syria. — boethius
The Syrian Train and Equip Program is a United States-led military operation launched in 2014 that identified and trained selected Syrian opposition forces inside Syria as well as in Turkey and other US-allied states who would then return to Syria to fight the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant. The program reportedly cost the US $500 million. It is a covert program, run by U.S. special operations forces, separate from Timber Sycamore, the parallel covert program run by the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA). As of July 2015, only a group of 54 trained and equipped fighters (Division 30) had been reported to have been deployed, which was quickly routed by al-Nusra, and a further 75 were reported in September 2015.
Overall, the U.S. has provided $650 million in defense equipment and services to Ukraine in the past year — the most it has ever given that country, according to the State Department.
The White House also said Washington is “helping the Ukrainians acquire additional, longer-range” air-defence systems, but did not provide further details.
The most recent package brings the total US security aid to Ukraine announced since the Russian invasion began to $1bn. The Biden administration previously approved another $1bn in aid before the invasion began.
:roll: :yikes:As far as I can tell, the only reason Zelensky didn't accept Russia's terms in the first phase of the war, when it was easy to do:
1. Neo-Nazi's made it clear they would kill him if he did.
2. He genuinely believed in the power of acting to conjure up a NATO no-fly zone a la Churchillian Dumbledore.
3. He got so many views ... no one in show business can walk away from — boethius
I guess the issue with being critical of the West and the US, like you or Benkei, @Isaac are, is the thing that Russia is fighting a brutal war without caring much about civilian lives. — ssu
Isaac has stated it quite clearly: he doesn't want to give any credit the the US here as being a "knight in white armour". Fine. Yet talking about the failures and the imperialism of the West doesn't change the war in Ukraine. — ssu
if someone talks about the attrocities of the Russians, then it's a bit odd to attack those of "believing in Western propaganda" or being "warmongers" or the type. — ssu
My government has for the first time in it's history sent weapons to another country.If you support the Ukrainian war effort ... but aren't in Ukraine fighting the war, nor even proposing troops from your own country go and fight with Ukrainians to at least vicariously live through your own soldiers' bravery ... then you are simply cheerleading other people fight a war that you're not willing to fight personally nor you're own government. — boethius
How dare you... how dare we have say anything supportive of Ukraine or focus on some minor issue like Russia invaded Ukraine. No, this thread is to bash NATO, bash the West and eagerly report anything bad they do, like "supporting bioweapon labs in Ukraine"!!! That's the only sensible thing to do in a thread about the war in Ukraine.Moi? I have been accused of war cheerleading here more often than I care to count. The words roll off the tongue of your buddies day and night. And when for the first time I return them the compliment, I'm the one to blame? — Olivier5
I find cheerleading a war to continue and for arms to be poured in [...] disgusting — boethius
Oh. So you think the "denazification" of Ukraine will be so easy at the end of a rifle? — ssu
Whopee! That sounds like fun. All this for a land bridge!!! :roll: — ssu
Of course. Those tens of thousands of anti-tank weapons being pushed in Ukraine won't mean a thing. Perhaps those 20 000 or so volunteers will come back after they have had an exiting weekend too. — ssu
All that for half a billion! Let's now compare this to what is the aid for Ukraine. Before the war started, the situation was the following:
"Overall, the U.S. has provided $650 million in defense equipment and services to Ukraine in the past year — the most it has ever given that country, according to the State Department."
Then afterwards:
"The White House also said Washington is “helping the Ukrainians acquire additional, longer-range” air-defence systems, but did not provide further details.
"The most recent package brings the total US security aid to Ukraine announced since the Russian invasion began to $1bn. The Biden administration previously approved another $1bn in aid before the invasion began."
And the war has been on for less than a month. — ssu
Have you been drinking or what? — ssu
I think it is perfectly possible to heap liquid shit upon Nato, the West, and Putin all at the same time. — StreetlightX
Fortunately, as you well know, that's never happened, otherwise you'd be able to fucking quote someone doing it instead of pulling some made up fantasy version of the discussion out of your arse. — Isaac
Just to be clear, do you find Western sympathies for the Ukrainian side, their occasional cheerleading and their arm support more disgusting than the Russian aggression and indiscriminate bombing of Ukraine, or less disgusting? — Olivier5
So what is the MOST disgusting of the two: to aggress your neighbour in such a war, or to cheerlead the victims trying to defend themselves? — Olivier5
Are you Russian? — Olivier5
The small Baltic countries surely hope they aren't expendable.But when NATO reaches out it's hand to come along as a friend ... maybe is a false sense of security if NATO doesn't show up to the party. — boethius
The small Baltic countries surely hope they aren't expendable. — ssu
Targeting hospitals, shelling of cities randomnly is a warcrime. — ssu
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