5. Therefore, nothing exists. — lish
In nothing I've written here or on any other thread have I argued for metaphysical nothingness ("actual void" as you say) — 180 Proof
I just prefer not to overthink the (existential) question — 180 Proof
I'm talking about microscopic 5d holes. — EugeneW
1. Nothing exists.
2. Even if something exists, nothing can be known about it.
3. Even if something can be known, it cannot be communicated.
4. Even if it can be communicated, it cannot be understood. — Gorgias
Infinity = everything. — 180 Proof
In my systems science/hierarchy theory view, the whole is produced by what it produces. The whole shapes its parts - it contributes the downward-acting constraints. But the parts then construct the whole - they contribute the upward-building material being, the suitably shaped "atomic" components.
So it is a bootstrapping or cybernetic causal model. And if it sounds unlikely, it is at least less unlikely than creatio ex nihilo. :grin: — apokrisis
I don't follow your point. But given that I'm taking the internalist perspective of Peircean logic and semiotics, I would have thought that our position as rationalising observers of nature is covered by that. — apokrisis
(When I say "everythingness", that is a placeholder for logical vagueness - the everythingness that is both and everything and a nothing in standing metaphysically for an Apeiron of unstructured potential.) — apokrisis
To think and to be is the same.
It is the height of human hubris and folly to think that what is, was, and will be are limited by what we can think or comprehend or given and account of. — Fooloso4
Not really, because that which is not cannot be thought. — Tobias
The problem is not with thinking that which is not, although more on that below, but with the assumption that what is is limited by what is thought. Until quite recently what was thought did not include quantum physics or astrophysics. We still to understand them and there may be things beyond our capacities of understanding.
As to non-being and indeterminacy see this discussion of Plato's metaphysics: — Fooloso4
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