The world I find myself in is the world as it is, preemptive of my considerations of it. — Mww
we don’t care that we find ourselves in a world — Mww
I mean, where else would we be found — Mww
if we are found in the world, then everything else we can know about must be found in the same world — Mww
when we really want to know what constitutes the world that we’re in — Mww
And now we face almost certain destruction at the hands of climate change, thanks in part to the greed and shortsightedness of the fossil fuel capitalists. — Xtrix
as a way of grounding the natural sciences, you need to write “The world I find myself in”. — Srap Tasmaner
The world I find myself in is the world as it is, preemptive of my considerations of it.
— Mww
Well, this can’t be the first thing you say. — Srap Tasmaner
I mean, where else would we be found
— Mww
So this is a reasonable starting point, and all Heidegger does is take exactly this and think it through, alright, so what is a world? what does it mean to be in one? — Srap Tasmaner
if we are found in the world, then everything else we can know about must be found in the same world
— Mww
And then this is the next thing — although Heidegger keeps fiddling with the order in Being and Time (....) Are the things we find in the world “in” it the same way we are? How hard is it to see that the answer has to be “no”? — Srap Tasmaner
At the very least, there’s the simple point that the universe does not consist of a philosopher and the table he gazes at thinkingly; there’s the whole rest of the world around them and they’re each in it. — Srap Tasmaner
YOU are doing it, and so am I; time to stop blaming THEM, the greedy capitalists. They are not using, per head, or per capita, more energy than you and I use, and blaming them for providing us what we want and demand is HIGHLY HYPOCRITICAL. — god must be atheist
They must certainly DO use more fossil fuel, and most certainly DO compel people to use more fossil fuel. They, like tobacco before them, lobby Congress and have deliberately fooled people with misinformation.
You’d have been a great apologist for big tobacco as well, I’m sure. After all, “WE choose to smoke“, etc.
What a joke. — Xtrix
It's a spineless, cowardly attitude to blame others for your wrongdoing. — god must be atheist
Do continue, Xtrix. I was told to laugh off shit like the arguments you present. — god must be atheist
Tell me again how stupid I am in your esteem and what lead you to that conclusion. — god must be atheist
if I am not stupid, then why would I repeat stupid slogans? — god must be atheist
People go through great lengths to defend capitalism — or any dogma they’ve been brought up to hold dear. — Xtrix
You said so yourself: you’ve been told to “laugh at” certain ideas — like the fact that there’s such a thing as power differentials, and that with more power comes more blame. — Xtrix
I simply pointed out to you who I think is to blame for an energy-using, consumerist society. — god must be atheist
I am not told to laugh off ideas that there are power differentials, and that with more power comes more to blame. — god must be atheist
No, I won't spare lecturing you, because what I say is not disingenuous.So spare me this disingenuous lecture about manners. — Xtrix
You insinuate (but don't state) things that you want to accuse me with, but there is no accusation, only an insinuation of it. — god must be atheist
Some people just can't take the blame when it's due. It's a spineless, cowardly attitude to blame others for one's own wrongdoing. — god must be atheist
Why do you do this? — god must be atheist
Sure— in the same way as we’re all to blame for the bombing of Iraq, and the many other war crimes and terrorism of the US (for those who live here, anyway). Does that mean I share equal blame with Rumsfeld? — Xtrix
Each of you have a position to argue. I do not understand why you are both more interested in talking about how appalled you are that the other has taken the position they have.
If you must argue about who’s to blame for climate change, argue about that. — Srap Tasmaner
What would you do, Srap Tsmaner, if somebody said that to you?Try keeping your mouth shut about things you don’t understand. It works wonders. — Xtrix
No. You claimed that placing blame on “capitalists” was HIGHLY HYPOCRITICAL, placing everyone in the company of the guilty— which is exactly what’s been promoted by those in power for decades. — Xtrix
So I put to you this: is a person who uses energy as much as the average person in his community, not hypocritical, when he blames the builders to build his home, when he blames the car manufacturers to build his car, when he blames the clothes manufacturers to make his clothes, and the producers of his food, and the transportation companies to deliver this to him or to close to him where the goods are available without much work to him... — god must be atheist
If you were NOT hypocritical then you would simply give up these benefits, and then you could claim moral superiority. But until such time, you simply can't. — god must be atheist
That’s like blaming people for buying cars when that’s the only choice they’re given. What they really want — and have got decades — is public transportation. The auto, rubber, and fossil fuel industries haven’t suppressed those options through their lobbying of congress. But it’s the CONSUMERS fault for buying a car to get to work? Find — let that be your focus if you’d like. — Xtrix
What would you do, Srap Tsmaner, if somebody said that to you? — god must be atheist
The greedy capitalists are NOT inciting you to drive your car, wear clothes, heat your apartment, cool the inside of your fridge. YOU are doing it, and so am I; time to stop blaming THEM, the greedy capitalists. They are not using, per head, or per capita, more energy than you and I use, and blaming them for providing us what we want and demand is HIGHLY HYPOCRITICAL. — god must be atheist
We are not to be blamed for the decisions we do not make. — god must be atheist
The using of society's benefits IS your decision. — god must be atheist
If the capitalist pigs, as you call them, — god must be atheist
You don't use them because the capitalists force you to, you use them because without them you'd perish. — god must be atheist
Public transportation is just as much available as ever. — god must be atheist
The decline of availability and convenience of public transportation happened not due to capitalists closing down railway lines and making city bus service less frequent... it's because people like to get into cars, drive to somewhere, and then drive back again. — god must be atheist
People want efficient public transit — not cars. — Xtrix
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