They do work that way, when it comes to things like art, culture, society, religion. These terms don't work the way a term like "table" or "astronaut" do. — baker
I see many art works as actually dealing with philosophical problems, but the artists themselves and their audience often don't see it that way. — baker
The artwork is a mirror of the spirit — Constance
There is no correct definition of art — RussellA
I would define the aesthetic as unity in variety, along the lines of Hucheson. Hucheson is giving an objective definition of the aesthetic, not attempting to describe the subjective experience. — RussellA
But I can never describe the subjective experience of the colour red or the aesthetic to someone who can never experience the colour red or aesthetic. — RussellA
Value as the regard that something is held to deserve, the judgement of good or bad, in that the aesthetic of a Rembrandt is better than the aesthetic of a child's crayon sketch. — RussellA
Evolution does not explain what the aesthetic is, but evolution does explain why the aesthetic originated in sentient life. — RussellA
Human a priori knowledge is that knowledge necessary to survive in the particular world we find ourselves in. It would follow that a sentient life evolving in a different world, whether hotter, silicon based or higher gravity, would have different a priori knowledge suitable for that different world. — RussellA
Sentient life, including humans, are born with certain innate knowledge - such as the colour red, bitter tastes, acrid smells, what is hot to the touch, the pain of a headache, as well as the aesthetic. — RussellA
But this is particular knowledge, in that I am not able to imagine an bitter taste independent of experiencing through my senses an object in the world that gives me the subjective experience of a bitter taste. — RussellA
The aesthetic is important because it is an innate foundational ability of sentient life to discover patterns in a seemingly chaotic world. — RussellA
When information informs you, it changes your neural state such that you ultimately have an experience. — Pop
"art." — T Clark
The viewer experiences the art work in a Enactivist fashion, where the consciousness of the viewer and the form of the art work, interact to cause an experience. The experience is not entirely the result of the artwork, nor entirely the result of the viewer, but is an amalgam of the two - experienced by the viewer. In the best of cases, these two gel to cause a pleasant experience, rather than repel, which would be an unpleasant experience, or one that is bypassed altogether. — Pop
Dictionary definitions generally agree that aesthetic as a noun means a set of principles governing the idea of beauty, such as "modernist aesthetics" and beauty as a noun means qualities such as shape, colour, sound in a person or thing that gives pleasure to the senses. — RussellA
The trick is, can you explain to me in words the subjective experience of the colour ultraviolet ! — RussellA
Matisse's Cut-outs are some of my favourite artworks, minimal yet sophisticated. — RussellA
Our inborn instincts could be said to include "facts, information and skills" — RussellA
Our "experience and education" has been acquired through billions of years of evolution rather than the schoolroom. — RussellA
Then it must be the case that the brain has the innate capacity to apprehend general relations of particulars and does have the innate power to make experience intelligible. — RussellA
2. Is something wrong with your definition Pop? — TheMadFool
Enactivism? If a person wants to examine at the basic level the interface between things and their subjective counterparts, one will NEVER be able to distinguish the two. — Constance
So the information bearing object has no status at all until it is received. I would call this a qualified information bearing transcendental object (hermeneutically defined AS art upon arrival. This "AS" of course, puts art back in the hands of the aesthetic and its nature. This is inherently affective); but information has to be redefined in a way that defies its essential meaning. — Constance
We have already been through this. Whilst an Ai can be programmed , and an elephant taught to create a repetitive picture, they neither choose to do so, nor do they deem it to be art in the human tradition — Pop
Your definition does not include the elements of choice and belief that something is art and if it did, then we're in territories that seem alien to art (choice) and arbitrary (if I deem this :point: * is art then it is). — TheMadFool
Proof of the definition:
1. Art is an ungrounded variable mental construct: Objects are arbitrarily deemed to be art. Art’s only necessary distinction from ordinary objects is the extra deemed art information. Art can be anything the artist thinks of, but this is limited by their consciousness. — Pop
something of a pop * C O N S C I O U S N E S S * guru — praxis
Summary
Art is important because it is aesthetic form of representative content. The aesthetic is important because it is an innate foundational ability of sentient life to discover patterns in a seemingly chaotic world. Art is therefore an outward expression of the innate character of the brain and conscious mind — RussellA
Produce something that exists for you outside of consciousness of it. — Pop
If you want to be a player in the consciousness guru game — praxis
Objects are arbitrarily deemed to be art. Art’s only necessary distinction from ordinary objects is the extra deemed art information. — Pop
Inconcistency detected. Art, by the first sentence, is arbitrary. Then the second sentence mentions there's got to be something "...extra..." (art information). — TheMadFool
No there is no inconsistency - an artist can bite his patron on the leg, and deem it to be art. An artist can do anything and deem it to be art. — Pop
(a priori knowledge)............"You're stretching the meaning of those words to match reality. — T Clark
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