What does it help if the national health institute says one thing, but on the ground level, even medical personnel is skeptical about vaccination? — baker
It's the level on which trust in the medical system is build, or destroyed.We weren't talking about what happens on the ground between doctors and patients, so this is irrelevant. — Xtrix
No one is arguing perfection.
— Xtrix
Given your righteous indignation, given your contempt, your hatred: only perfection justifies and warrants those.
If you want to be justified hate people for not thinking and acting the way you think they should, then you better be perfect. — baker
We weren't talking about what happens on the ground between doctors and patients, so this is irrelevant.
— Xtrix
It's the level on which trust in the medical system is build, or destroyed. — baker
Try to keep up.
— Xtrix
You know, I will repay you and your ilk for this contempt. — baker
Riiight, you are the embodiment of kindness. — baker
As long as the discussion is limited to philosophy forums, there should be no problem. — baker
But look at Israel. Sky high vaccination rates achieved early on, yet the vast majority of covid patients requring hospital care are fully vaccinated. — baker
Some Croatian social scientists say that the reason why many people don't get vaccinated is because they don't trust the government. — baker
Here's the thing: Why don't the vocal pro-vaccers (who claim to be taken hostage by the unvaccinated) put their money where their mouth is and limit health care (and other things) for the unvaccinated?
If the vocal pro-vaccers believe they are so right, so superior to the unvaccinated, then what on earth is stopping them from passing laws in accordance with that? — baker
The trouble with vaccinations is that no one knows what the long term effects will be. — MondoR
It's unfortunate that scientists created a virus that killed millions — MondoR
I don't consider them a good source for advice. — MondoR
Now, unlike the U.S model, which is based upon pure hysteria and permanent pharmaceutical spending, the Swedish have done quite well. — MondoR
I had a mild case, and my long-term immune prospects are quite good. — MondoR
This is one of the many claims that anti-vaxxers often use. In the "long run" we're all dead, — Xtrix
62% vaccinated -- better than the US. Apparently less anti-vaxxer bullshit/pushback in Sweden. — Xtrix
US policy is not based on hysteria, it's based on the recommendations of medical experts — Xtrix
62% vaccinated -- better than the US. Apparently less anti-vaxxer bullshit/pushback in Sweden.
— Xtrix
Nuanced, not hysterical. — MondoR
US policy is not based on hysteria, it's based on the recommendations of medical experts
— Xtrix
The same chaps who created the virus. — MondoR
So pushing for vaccines is "nuanced"? OK, so the US is nuanced as well -- just with far more pushback from hysterical anti-vaxxers. Got it. — Xtrix
Those aren't the "same chaps." — Xtrix
In legal terms, this is a waiver of liability, if not even more than that. — baker
The issue is whether the limited effectiveness of the vaccines warrants the hatred and the contempt that the vocal pro-vaccers are directing at anyone who isn't all that enthusiastic about the vaccines. — baker
in times of crisis, 1) one should give some slack to political leaders, their job is hard nowadays and you and I wouldn't be able to do any better; and 2) consider the need for a little social cohesion, for a bit more attention to the public good, i.e. more civic sense and responsibility to the collective is required in times of crisis than otherwise I think. — Olivier5
No opinion on how scientists have destroyed life on Earth as we once knew it. — MondoR
If you were worried about that, you're about 200 years too late. — James Riley
More bemused of how humans go around destroying themselves in the name of science. — MondoR
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