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That series will change how you see the world.

^^^
Pretense of knowledge :chin:

It already did. :wink:

:blush:

Wiki

Also:

https://podcasts.ox.ac.uk/people/marianne-talbot

Philosophy for beginners.

Feel free to ask questions requesting information about philosophy. Feel free to provide information about philosophy here to those in need. — Wheatley

Who makes the decision of it what someone thinks is worth saving for centuries?

Might philosophy have been different if women had not been closed out?

Who makes the decision of it what someone thinks is worth saving for centuries? — Athena

Men? :chin:

Which men. Not all men have resources and power. There must be an organization with resources and power to record and preserve a person's thoughts.

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Military Industrial Complex

Corporations! @Athena

Intellectuals.

capitalism.

libraries.

Organized religion.

If I recall correctly, female infants were abandoned in the woods. — Wheatley

This is a practice that has occurred in many cultures for millennia. Apparently, in India they were (are?) drowned in milk. In Arabia they used to bury them in the sand, etc.

Interesting thread though. We all tend to use words in different ways. And I agree that formal philosophy has its own language that would take at least a couple of months if not years to learn to any practical extent and then you run the risk of discovering (1) that different philosophical systems or schools use different terminologies and (2) that non-philosophers have no idea what you are talking about.

Philosophy was not easy even in the days of Plato and Aristotle. And philosophical language has become hopelessly complex and it is impossible for any one philosopher to exhaustively define and explain every single concept on which his system is constructed. That's why a Hegel or Spinoza can be interpreted in many different and even diametrically opposed ways.

Wheatley,
You posted very interesting videos. However, no one has responded to them. To me, this is seriously problematic, because the discussion is not happening.

Your single words are not helpful because I have no idea why you think they are important? I am a firm believer in capitalism because of Sparta the first military/socialist state, and Athens, where our philosophy, science, and democracy begins and the government provided opportunity but not a welfare state.

Liberty without education has no value.

that non-philosophers have no idea what you are talking about. — Apollodorus

What do you mean by those words? I sure do not consider myself to be a trained philosopher, and I am not sure I care that much about formal philosophy? I sure don't like many of the male philosophies, and deeply regret that women were closed out of the discussion.

Wheatley, your reply that men are responsible for philosophy is meaningless without identifying which men. Cornel West made it very clear the voices of some are heard, but these are not the voices of the people. Understanding that and why that is true is very important.

Maybe both of you will see my response to Apollodorus and my last comment to Wheatley are related? Why do some people impact our lives for centuries while most live and die with no effect? Can this be changed? Doesn't a democracy mean a different order, where the many have more power than the few?

Your single words are not helpful because I have no idea why you think they are important? I am a firm believer in capitalism because of Sparta the first military/socialist state, and Athens, where our philosophy, science, and democracy begins and the government provided opportunity but not a welfare state. — Athena

It wasn’t serious. :rofl:

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You posted very interesting videos. However, no one has responded to them. To me, this is seriously problematic, because the discussion is not happening. — Athena

I have a video for that!

In all seriousness, @Athena, I agree with you. :100:

What do you mean by those words? I sure do not consider myself to be a trained philosopher, and I am not sure I care that much about formal philosophy? I sure don't like many of the male philosophies, and deeply regret that women were closed out of the discussion. — Athena

I don't care too much about formal philosophy, either, and for the stated reasons.

Just recently, I had a discussion with a group of intelligent and educated people (male and female) who had some difficulty in wrapping their minds around the concept of "subject" as the agent in an act of perception, for example.

Depending on people's occupation and interests, if they associate the term "subject" with "subject-matter" or "x is subject to y", etc., then you will be surprised how easily misunderstandings can occur.

But I don't think women were excluded from philosophy, certainly not in Greek culture. Don’t forget Socrates’ teacher Diotima of Mantinea, and there were many others into the Christian era and the Middle Ages:

Theano of Croton (6th century BC)
Aristoclea of Delphi (6th century BC)
Aspasia of Miletus (ca 470–400 BC)
Arete of Cyrene (4th century BC)
Hipparchia of Maroneia (4th century BC)
Nicarete of Megara (ca 300 BC)
Ptolemais of Cyrene (3rd century BC)
Aesara of Lucania (3rd century BC)
Catherine of Alexandria (282–305)
Sosipatra of Ephesus (4th century CE)
Hypatia of Alexandria (c. 360–415 CE)
Aedesia of Alexandria (5th century CE)
Theodora of Emesa (5th-6th century CE)

Women philosophers – Wikipedia