Over 1300 Israeli civilians have died from Palestinian terror attacks in the past 20 years. Thousands more injured. — BitconnectCarlos
I don't know — BitconnectCarlos
Source? According to this (quoting the Israeli ministry for foreign affairs) it's roughly 1,000 since 2021. The IRA have killed a similarly large number, approximately 600. — Baden
yes there are some differences but none so significant as the difference between the army sending planes in that kill hundreds of civilians in a matter of days vs. the army never using nor even contemplating using heavy artillery on civilians. — Baden
On the other hand, the actions of the British Army during "Operation Banner" and the actions of the Israeli Armed Forces toward the Palestinians are also different, one should remember.The cruelty of Palestinian terror far outweighs that used by the IRA. The more research I do into the types of attacks conducted by the IRA vs. Palestinian terror the more these organizations become drastically different. I'm not really into an argument here: The two aren't remotely close. Just look into the 2nd Intifata. — BitconnectCarlos
Israel, a country that had achieved four spectacular military victories
in 1948, 1956, 1967 and 1973, invaded Lebanon out of its belief in the
singular efficacy of military force, a belief borne of its previous experiences
with war. However, Israel’s strategic concept behind the Lebanese debacle
was wrong-headed. Israel believed that in the Palestinians and later in the
Shiite resistance, it faced a military problem that could be resolved through
resort to conventional war. It did not understand, as its opponents did, that
the strategic problems it sought to address could not be resolved without
settling the fundamental underlying political issues that had caused war in
the first place. Neither Palestinians nor Shiite militants ever tried seriously
to mount a conventional military attack against Israeli forces; they never
had the capability even if they had desired to take such action. Both groups
acted to preserve their military forces to the greatest extent possible,
eschewing high-risk attacks to ensure that Israel could never destroy all of
their fighters. And because they were supported, fed, and nurtured by their
peoples, the Palestinian and Shiite fighters created an impossible situation
for Israel.
It just happens to be in this conflict that Israel is killing the vast majority of civilians and that is the topic of the thread. — Baden
Palestinian suicide bombers are not martyrs in my eyes, they're murderers, as are all those who target or disregard the lives of innocent civilians, and those who carry out and support such crimes are the only ones who bear responsibility for them. — Baden
Define "using" as a human shield? If it extends to someone from Hamas entered your house therefore Israel has a right to kill you just to get at him then you may want to do a thought experiment of how you;d view the situation if a guerilla operative decided to use your home as shelter. I have a feeling though you are not trying. Try harder. — Baden
Much of this thread has discussed this matter as though it is necessary to decide who is in the right. Hamas or Israel? When the only sensible answer is that they're both in the wrong. Even many of the critics of Israel seem to think we need to justify Hamas, an Islamic terrorist organisation, otherwise, we can't condemn Israel properly, this is not the case. — Judaka
they're both in the wrong — Judaka
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