It will be interesting to watch the progressives in America as they seem Hell-bent on canceling conservative thinking all-together. If their strategy is successful and they are allowed to implement widespread change, the results will be just as poor as if the conservatives tried to roll back to the clock thereby retarding society from moving forward. — synthesis
I'm not really sure this is about extremism. Conservativism isn't generally about trying to "roll back the clock". While it's generally on the wrong side of history on everything (slavery, civil rights, women's rights, gay rights, etc.), being conservative it tends to affirm its own defeats, for the most part anyway. They're not apt to remove women's right to vote or start slave trading. The extremists aren't e.g. the Republicans, but the Magamaniacs and Brexiteers. Also, saying that if progressives got their way everything would be bad is just saying that progressives are wrong. — Kenosha Kid
Conservatism is about preserving — synthesis
Saying that they are on the wrong side of history is denying the success that the U.S. has had over the past 244 years. — synthesis
Identity politics and intolerance will only lead to further division making the process of debate and compromise difficult, at best. — synthesis
Saying that they are on the wrong side of history is denying the success that the U.S. has had over the past 244 years.
— synthesis
No, saying that they were on the wrong side of history wrt e.g. civil rights just says they were wrong irrespective of their successes. Success is not a measure of correctness. — Kenosha Kid
Identity politics and intolerance will only lead to further division making the process of debate and compromise difficult, at best.
— synthesis
I think you've been reading extremists and now have an extreme idea of progression. It isn't about identity politics (although there's ample identity politics as well). It's about optimizing the system to work for more people. — Kenosha Kid
"Identity politics" has become a term that extremists use to denounce any idea that seeks to address systematic bias. Real identity politics is about individualism. One can progress in that direction, but there are other, better directions. For instance, "progressive taxation" has nothing to do with identity politics. — Kenosha Kid
I believe this would be like saying that Democrats are still the party of slavery. Most conservatives I've spoken with are for maximum opportunity for all. As a matter of fact, I am not sure I've ever met anybody who would against this. — synthesis
I get that you believe the system needs to be "optimized." Unfortunately, the system is optimized (for the few). This is pretty much the only way systems work. — synthesis
Whereas there will come a day where people will probably not care if a person is white, black, brown, purple or green — synthesis
Should we make women have 50% male friends and 50% female friends. — synthesis
Or at least some conservatives and especially Trump supporters (who I don't think actually are conservatives) themselves think so.It will be interesting to watch the progressives in America as they seem Hell-bent on canceling conservative thinking all-together. — synthesis
They are extreme, but that isn't why they see each other as extreme, or else they would see not only the other as extreme, but their own party as extreme as well. It takes a more objective, a-political outlook to see both as extreme.Both sides see each other as extreme because they are extreme. — synthesis
Both parties can claim that they are for allowing more folks to participate/propsper, as they both have libertarian tendencies, but they both have authoritarian tendencies as well, so neither one can actually declare that they possess the monopoly on libertarianism.For example, conservatives generally want to keep things the way they are (for obvious reasons including the fact that they are benefiting from the status quo) whereas progressives see the need for change in order to allow more folks to participate/prosper. — synthesis
Or at least some conservatives and especially Trump supporters (who I don't think actually are conservatives) themselves think so. — ssu
Both sides see each other as extreme because they are extreme.
— synthesis
They are extreme, but that isn't why they see each other as extreme, or else they would see not only the other as extreme, but their own party as extreme as well. It takes a more objective, a-political outlook to see both as extreme. — Harry Hindu
For example, conservatives generally want to keep things the way they are (for obvious reasons including the fact that they are benefiting from the status quo) whereas progressives see the need for change in order to allow more folks to participate/prosper.
— synthesis
Both parties can claim that they are for allowing more folks to participate/prosper, as they both have libertarian tendencies, but they both have authoritarian tendencies as well, so neither one can actually declare that they possess the monopoly on libertarianism.
The Progressives are only such in name only. They are actually authoritarian socialists in libertarian clothes. Once they achieve what they want - which is the same as any political party wants: control over individuals - they become defenders of the status quo and any objectors become the progressives.
True progressives would be those that actually value individualism over collectivism, as collectivism is what we've basically had ever since religions became political. — Harry Hindu
If they are just a casual observer then they are not from one side or the other. To see your position as the righteous one for everyone and anyone that disagrees is a bigot or racist IS extremism is a nutshell. If you don't see your side as possessing a monopoly of morality, then that isn't really taking a side as you are acknowledging that each "side" is just a different means of achieving liberty and equality for the individual.As polarized as politics has become, I am not sure the casual observer from either side would have difficulty coming to this conclusion. — synthesis
Well, It's you who started with generalization like the progressives being hell bent of canceling conservative thinking all-together.Are you assuming that all these people think identically? — synthesis
You should read Robert Freeman: — Miguel Hernández
Responding to your question and not your post, yes, absolutely. Extreme, perhaps, isn't quite the right word, as the really are very few political terrorists in the world, but, there are fanatics within every political faction, most certainly including, but not especially limited to the Left. — thewonder
The Democratic Party of the 1930s was a busload of wise men. Roosevelt politics was to the left of Bernie Sanders: "He put tens of millions of people to work through “alphabetical agencies” such as the Civilian Conservation Corps, the National Industrial Recovery Act, and the Works Progress Administration. He imposed FDIC requirements on banks and insured investor’ deposits. He separated commercial banking from investment banking and created unemployment insurance and Social Security." — Miguel Hernández
One might think that after the past several millennia of authoritarian control that people would be universally ready to be free, but not so much. As it turns out, most want mommy and daddy to tell them what to do. — synthesis
Success is not a measure of correctness. — Kenosha Kid
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