The Friends of Qualia didn't seem to want to engage with that, either. — Banno

I do agree on one thing regarding p-zombies. A world of zombies would not include talk of colors, tastes and pains. And thus, there would be no qualia or hard problem debate. The philosophical zombies could not originate such notions.

I suspect some of you would rather live in that world.

...and...

...that'll do.

Dennett has introduced this confusion through his misuse of the term 'qualia — Luke

Yes, and I think he did so on purpose, in order to confuse the simple minded.

Anyway, I appreciate that you're taking an embedded approach rather than viewing objectivity and subjectivity as opposing duals. I can agree with that. — Andrew M

In fact, to move from subjectivity to objectivity, one needs more subjects, adding and comparing their observations, So in a sense you get to objectivity by adding subjectivity to subjectivity, not by taking subjectivity away.

A world of zombies would not include talk of colors, tastes and pains. — Marchesk

How on earth not? How are the blessed creatures expected to agree policy toward the myriad stimuli if not by ordering and classifying them?