The totality of the reforms suggested provide the "checks and balances" currently lacking and needed. You're missing the forest for trees, P.Checks and balances. — Pfhorrest
The class-race connection StreetlightX highlights has the interesting implication that a lot of structural racism can be fixed without explicitly addressing race at all. If you help all poor people equally regardless of race, you disproportionately help black people automatically because the poor are disproportionately black. — Pfhorrest
Yes. Racist & Sexist discriminations are modes of systemic policing that help enforce and maintain Class exploitation. Don't you think 'white grievance' populism is a (not so) new form of - hyper-mediated - false consciousness?I just want to add that this is a basic Marxist point, and a reason why, among socialists, you will always hear the refrain that race issues and gender issues cannot be addressed without at the same time addressing class issues. The primacy of class analysis is not to the exclusion of race, but to its augmentation. — StreetlightX
Don't you think 'white grievance' populism is a (not so) new - hyper-mediated - false consciousness? — 180 Proof
I also don’t like any idea or symbol that serves to separate police officers from the people they serve. I wouldn’t allow officers to wear those thin blue line patches as an accessory on their uniforms. I understand it is meant to support officers, but it isn’t necessary and many times serves to reinforce an imaginary bifurcation of citizens and officers -- the latter of which belongs to the former anyway. — Wolfman
That humility should be part of professionalism. There's a way to get people who serve in uniform to do better when you get them to understand that the best police force is the "smart" and professional one which can tackle underlying problems by good policing cooperation with other authorities and the community and doesn't use the brute force in every issue. Unfortunately Hollywood promotes the idea that the best cop is the door crashing, hard hitting F-the-regulations renegade, as if that's the guy who will save the day. It has a really bad effect, actually. Because that is what many assume police to be as, let's face it, typically we aren't customers of the police daily.I don’t like how some police officers are so prideful, and even arrogant. I think law enforcement agencies need to do better in encouraging an ethic of humility throughout their departments. My lieutenant always told me, “Just because you wear the uniform, doesn’t mean you are above the people you serve. You serve them.” — Wolfman
The main thing to address, I think, is how to combat prejudices and biases that may exist at the subconscious level. — Wolfman
They only know that they are angry and I wear the uniform. — Wolfman
Don't you think 'white grievance' populism is a (not so) new - hyper-mediated - false consciousnes — 180 Proof
We are not responsible, for the mental illness that has been afflicted upon our people by the American government, institutions, and those people in positions of power.
I don't give a damn if they burn down Target, because Target should be on the streets with us, calling for the Justice that our people deserve.
Where was Autozone at the time when Fernando Castillo was shot in a car, which is what they actually represent. Where were they?
So if you are not coming to the people's defense, then don't challenge us when young people and other people who are frustrated are instigated by the people you pay. You are paying instigators to be amoung our people out there, throwing rocks, breaking windows and burning down buildings. So young people are responding to that, they are in rage. And there is an easy way to stop it.
Arrest the cops.
Charge the cops.
Charge all the cops.
Not just some of them, not just here in Minneapolis, charge them in every city across America where our people are being murdered. Charge them everywhere.
That's the bottom line.
Charge the cops. Do your jobs. Do what you say this country is supposed to be about, the land of the free for all. It has not been free for black people, and we are tired.
Don't talk to us about looting. Y'all are the looters. America has been looting black people. America looted the native americans when they first came here, so looting is what you do. We learned it from you. We learned violence from you.
We learned violence from you.
The violence is what we learned from you.
So if you want us to do better, then damn it, you do better. — Tamika Mallory, Minneapolis
In terms of media narrative (or ideological state apparatus), it pays to foster a blame narrative on immigrants and POCs for the same reason it pays to foster distrust along radical/centrist lines in the anti-racist protests; the interests of capital are in you fighting with your allies and not knowing who they are, even when a white working class Brit has way more interest in common with a third gen Indian working class family. — fdrake
Why is the title referring to systemic racism in particular and not just racism in general? — Congau
Please put comments on racism, systemic racism, and police brutality in the US, along with the public reaction to these phenomena, here. — Baden
That means oversight boards with teeth, not governed by police, or not only police. It means changes to funding structures, tied directly to policing outcomes. — StreetlightX
If these are bad cops - where are the good cops? Why are they not speaking? — StreetlightX
Why is there not universal denunciation, from police departments all across the US, and promises to do better? Why are police seemingly not holding themselves to high standards? If these are bad cops - where are the good cops? Why are they not speaking? — StreetlightX
Mansfield Police Chief Ron Sellon released a statement denouncing the actions of the Minneapolis police officers involved in the death of George Floyd as he assured town residents that his department is "commitment to the fair and equal treatment for every person."
Four days after the death of George Floyd, Vallejo Police Chief Shawny Williams issued a statement denouncing the events which led to the man’s death in Minneapolis police custody. “This tragic incident, committed under the color of authority, is a violation of what we stand for,” Williams said in a statement released Friday night. “We acknowledge that communities nationally and locally are angry, and we are emphatic to how communities may feel about these devastating events.”
Indianapolis police Chief Randal Taylor on Thursday denounced the actions of the Minneapolis officer shown on video kneeling on the neck of George Floyd before Floyd died in their custody. "As a 30-year law enforcement veteran, I cannot understand or justify the actions captured on video in Minneapolis," Taylor said on Twitter Thursday night. "Police officers swear an oath to protect the lives of our community members — including those in our custody."
Baden's reply notwithstanding, I understand racism as shorthand for manifest systemic discrimination that, whether by explicit policy or 'unwritten norms', empowers governmental & non-governmental agents to exercise their personal prejudices to the detriment of individuals stereotyped "racially" (i.e. identified with color/ethnic out-groups), and so I consider "systemic racism" to be redundant. When someone uses a phrase like "racism in general" I translate that to mean more precisely personal, or customary, prejudice, which is experiential-based but not institutionally empowered. My preferred shorthand: personal prejudice + institutional (class-caste normative) power = racism.Why is the title referring to systemic racism in particular and not just racism in general? — Congau
Just like with the military, when those who serve start to feel there "outside" from the society, that the civilian society is something different that doesn't care about them, then you start getting problems. If the criticism turns into hatred and abhorrence of the police, things just turn worse and the "police community" that feels separated just hunkers down. Luckily that can be avoided, but it takes an effort. — ssu
That humility should be part of professionalism. There's a way to get people who serve in uniform to do better when you get them to understand that the best police force is the "smart" and professional one which can tackle underlying problems by good policing cooperation with other authorities and the community and doesn't use the brute force in every issue. Unfortunately Hollywood promotes the idea that the best cop is the door crashing, hard hitting F-the-regulations renegade, as if that's the guy who will save the day. It has a really bad effect, actually. Because that is what many assume police to be as, let's face it, typically we aren't customers of the police daily. — ssu
Just to give an anecdote, my mother-in-law was driving me and my wife and kids in an upscale part of downtown Mexico City. A policeman approached that car to stop because I think we had passed a red light. My feisty mother-in-law just yelled at him: "I have two small children in this car, I don't have any time for you now!" and just continued away. And the police, who were actually many present there just where left standing there. I told my mother-in-law never to do that in Finland. She just laughed, but agreed to behave differently here. — ssu
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