The ineptness can be also simply wishful thinking. And many it actually works for the politician. That it's a local epidemic that goes away. That you get of with just a scare. Then harsh measures would look like panic.I'm not so confident. National security decisions do get made by shadowy figures around round tables.
It's pretty well documented that China covered things up as long as possible; we needed a Chinese doctor to warn us (which is risking one's life in China ... and he died, but we're told it's just coincidence).
I haven't gone into the exact timing of events, so don't have an opinion of what's the more plausible cause of the cover up. — boethius
So, what were your points about the economic cost of stopping flying actually about? — boethius
but that they didn't realize the deaths would be so high as to crash the system s is the incompetence
No10 has been helpless right from the start and the sooner we have everyone staying in their homes except for food shopping and essential trips, the more likely we will be able to ride the first wave intact. — Punshhh
I even said early on that collapse of the economy as soon as possible, since that is arguably the only thing which will dramatically reduce fossil fuel use, may well be the best thing for the planet and humanity overall. — Janus
In a few days they'll do like everyone else and lock down, and they'll say "well, our gamble didn't work, but it was a jolly good try". — boethius
U.K. to Accelerate Measures After Virus Cases Jump Faster Than Anticipated — Bloombers news
Any idea why Germany has a CFR almost an order of magnitude lower than everyone else? — Echarmion
Yes, this is right, but I wonder if the economy will be able to sustain itself intact for extended periods where no one is working. It's going to have to be a balancing act between economic considerations and health considerations.
Any idea why Germany has a CFR almost an order of magnitude lower than everyone else? — Echarmion
Statistics seems to suggest the "true danger" of the virus is actually more-or-less equally dangerous to all age groups in that catching the virus doubles your chances of death this year; however, if you're plus 80 and have a 10% chance of dying this year, now it's 20% so results in way higher absolute numbers for older age groups (in addition to the triage bias). — boethius
TRUMP’S RESPONSE TO THE COVID-19 (HIS WORDS)
January 22: “We have it totally under control. It’s one person coming in from China. It’s going to be just fine.”
February 2: “We pretty much shut it down coming in from China.”
February 24: “The Coronavirus is very much under control in the USA… Stock Market starting to look very good to me!”
February 25: “CDC and my Administration are doing a GREAT job of handling Coronavirus.”
February 25: “I think that's a problem that’s going to go away… They have studied it. They know very much. In fact, we’re very close to a vaccine.”
February 26: “The 15 (cases in the US) within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero.”
February 26: “We're going very substantially down, not up.”
February 27: “One day it’s like a miracle, it will disappear.”
February 28: “We're ordering a lot of supplies. We're ordering a lot of, uh, elements that frankly we wouldn't be ordering unless it was something like this. But we're ordering a lot of different elements of medical.”
March 2: “You take a solid flu vaccine, you don't think that could have an impact, or much of an impact, on corona?”
March 2: “A lot of things are happening, a lot of very exciting things are happening and they’re happening very rapidly.”
March 4: “If we have thousands or hundreds of thousands of people that get better just by, you know, sitting around and even going to work — some of them go to work, but they get better.”
March 5: “I NEVER said people that are feeling sick should go to work.”
March 5: “The United States… has, as of now, only 129 cases… and 11 deaths. We are working very hard to keep these numbers as low as possible!”
March 6: “I think we’re doing a really good job in this country at keeping it down… a tremendous job at keeping it down.”
March 6: “Anybody right now, and yesterday, anybody that needs a test gets a test. They’re there. And the tests are beautiful…. the tests are all perfect like the letter was perfect. The transcription was perfect. Right? This was not as perfect as that but pretty good.”
March 6: “I like this stuff. I really get it. People are surprised that I understand it… Every one of these doctors said, ‘How do you know so much about this?’ Maybe I have a natural ability. Maybe I should have done that instead of running for president.”
March 6: “I don't need to have the numbers double because of one ship that wasn't our fault.”
March 8: “We have a perfectly coordinated and fine tuned plan at the White House for our attack on CoronaVirus.”
March 9: “This blindsided the world.”
March 9: "The Fake News Media and their partner, the Democrat Party, is doing everything within its semi-considerable power (it used to be greater!) to inflame the CoronaVirus situation, far beyond what the facts would warrant.”
March 10: "It will go away. Just stay calm. It will go away."
March 13: National Emergency declared.
Especially when there's some news that the lock down is working to curb the growth rate of infections. I guess the "lock down" option will be very trendy now. No huge public outcries because of the actions have been heard in Poland, Denmark, Czech Republic or Spain.It was obviously never a "strategy" of any sort, just a propaganda slight of hand on gullible people to make them look more responsible: "Well, we had a plan, but we're big enough to admit it's not on track and so we're changing our approach". — boethius
Contacted by Reuters, a spokeswoman for the German Health Ministry said: "We confirm the report in the Welt am Sonntag."
Welt am Sonntag quoted an unidentified German government source as saying Trump was trying to secure the scientists' work exclusively, and would do anything to get a vaccine for the United States, "but only for the United States."
“Liberal innovations” such as Keynesian economics and the modern welfare state. — NOS4A2
What about apolitical parents, with no political party affiliation, having children?If you think "liberal innovations" are bad.. So are "free-market capitalism". Antinatalism scoffs at both of these as FORCING more people into the world in the first place by having more children. A pox on both your houses. Both liberals and conservatives feel entitled to force their ideologies on yet another generation to live out their demented ideas about ways-of-life.. Oh but great, if the child doesn't like it they can just go kill themselves! What a foolish unsettling system all ideologies are and people who thus create more progeny to have to live out their ideological abstractions. Its all using people for an ideology. Its all ego-stroking thinking YOUR child MUST be created to experience life. All of you can go bugger off with your ideologies and forcing others to live them, honestly. — schopenhauer1
Now that's a catchy phrase!Or that could all be bullshit, but you heard it here first! — unenlightened
Without the younger generation, who is going to pay for your medication and hospital visits when you are old and retired? You end up running into the same problem China is after the implementation of their "one-child" policy.
Solution: Coronavirus. — Harry Hindu
I asked my kids if they are suffering because they know there is suffering in the world. They said, "No. There is also happiness in the world that wouldn't be realized if there wasn't some suffering". Smart kids.That is precisely the thinking that gets us into this position. You would be using the suffering of the next generation (by having them knowing the world contains some suffering) to try to mitigate what is happening currently, thus continuing the cycle. Not a good policy if you want to end the cycle itself. — schopenhauer1
I asked my kids if they are suffering because they know there is suffering in the world. They said, "No. There is also happiness in the world that wouldn't be realized if there wasn't some suffering". Smart kids. — Harry Hindu
Contacted by Reuters, a spokeswoman for the German Health Ministry said: "We confirm the report in the Welt am Sonntag."
Welt am Sonntag quoted an unidentified German government source as saying Trump was trying to secure the scientists' work exclusively, and would do anything to get a vaccine for the United States, "but only for the United States."
Such a great guy. :confused: — Michael
Based on a recent report by the WHO-China joint mission on COVID-19, 20 percent of the confirmed cases will be severe and require hospitalization for sustained monitoring and supportive treatment. The report indicates that 6 percent of total confirmed cases (or about 30 percent of those hospitalized) will become critical and require specialized intensive care, such as mechanical ventilators.
If you think "liberal innovations" are bad.. So are "free-market capitalism". Antinatalism scoffs at both of these as FORCING more people into the world in the first place by having more children. A pox on both your houses. Both liberals and conservatives feel entitled to force their ideologies on yet another generation to live out their demented ideas about ways-of-life.. Oh but great, if the child doesn't like it they can just go kill themselves! What a foolish unsettling system all ideologies are and people who thus create more progeny to have to live out their ideological abstractions. Its all using people for an ideology. Its all ego-stroking thinking YOUR child MUST be created to experience life. All of you can go bugger off with your ideologies and forcing others to live them, honestly.
Yep, there's a long tradition to that!Make America great again, by stealing German scientists again. — unenlightened
It seems that Trump has succeeded in getting into every socialist-in-liberal-clothes' heads. Trump is all they think about to the point where almost every philosophical topic turns into an opportunity to bash Trump. That's pretty sad when that is what dominates the thoughts in your mind.
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