I get it, Trump does it speak well. He fumbles his words, contradicts himself, exaggerates and uses “salesman rhetoric”. — NOS4A2
Is speaking well and using the right combinations of words in the correct order leadership to you? Because any actor, any lawyer, any speech writer, any talking head can do that. — NOS4A2
Meanwhile, Trump was quarantining foreign nationals, barring Chinese entry into the country, evacuating Americans from Wuhan, and started developing vaccines back in January while he was in the midst of a fake impeachment scandal—back when Italy, with it’s eloquent law-professor of a PM, had its first 2 coronavirus cases. Around the same time, Germany, France, and Spain had their first few cases, all led by people who can speak with eloquence and gravitas. And now Europe is the epicenter of the Coronavirus. — NOS4A2
Just to be clear, I do not think their leadership led to the spread of the virus in their countries—it’s no one’s fault—but look what their political niceties and placating lullabies got them. Nothing. — NOS4A2
We can debate the “implications” of Ziemer leaving until the cows come home. I’m well aware that a “critical thinker” would imagine a bureaucrat leaving out of some sense of a higher calling, quitting because of Trump’s mismanagement. All bureaucrats have a sense of duty and principle. Isn’t it that so? But often the story isn’t as romantic as we make it out to be. — NOS4A2
When I described the political reaction to Johnson's strategy, I was not supporting it, only describing it. In my opinion the team managing the government's response is developing this strategy, they do have some strategic thinking going on, but they are lazy and naive about the magnitude of the crisis. As usual with a Conservative government, they are naive and live in an ivory tower. Their raison d' etre is to keep the privelidged classes in power and generate enough wealth to support their privileges. But the current government is the Vote Leave campaign, they are ideological fundamentalists and their doctrine is to leave the EU and become a Singapore on Thames. In this they have left behind the moderates in their party and are recklessly pushing forward the implementation of their ideology. — Punshhh
That a lot of old and poorly people will die, which will actually bail them out of the healthcare and care home crisis. — Punshhh
they are "more incompetent" — boethius
Thanks to the mass hysteria the media is causing, people are unecessarily flooding the healthcare system. When 95% of the tests are negative for corona, which means that they have a different respiratory illness, the stats aren't a necessary cause for people to worry that they have corona at the first sign of a sore throat.The danger of the coronavirus pandemic is not individual chance of death, as this article attempts to portray to try to calm people down, but the systemic effects of overwhelming health systems and governments forced to act to lower the infection rate to something manageable. — boethius
Thanks to the mass hysteria the media is causing, people are unecessarily flooding the healthcare system. When 95% of the tests are negative for corona, which means that they a different respiratory illness, the stats aren't a necessary cause for people to worry that they have corona at the first sign of a sore throat. — Harry Hindu
If the govt wants to has to continually prop up industries that fail during a crisis with my taxpayer dollars, then I want some consequences laid on the corporate heads of these industries. The way you change behavior is to make sure there are some negative consequences to the behavior, not rewards. Every bailout should require a restructuring of the corporate environment that needed the bailout. — Harry Hindu
Also, dead pensioners don't vote, so the policy is admirably Machiavellian. — unenlightened
My analysis is that you cannot call a government incompetent when they have managed to push through an unpopular and damaging policy by winning an election. "competent criminality" is more the mark. — unenlightened
Should we be punishing the workers along with the corporate heads? I think it was quite clear that the negative consequences will be brought upon those making the corporate decisions.Isn't bailing out a reward full stop? Is "restructuring" really a negative consequence to the business? — boethius
Should we be punishing the workers along with the corporate heads? I think it was quite clear that the megative consequences will be brought upon those making the corporate decisions. — Harry Hindu
I think your emotions have an major influence on how you read into things. — Harry Hindu
Apples and oranges.That one is funny. Guys lets stop pointing fingers please, lets all point them to China. Let's castigate the Spanish for the Spanish flu and the Mexicans for the Mexican ones, lets point to the gays for aids and the Napolitans for the ubiquitous pizza hut. — Tobias
I wouldn't know, I dont see the world through some political ideology. I view human nature scientically, not politically.Are you talking about my emotions personally, or is this just some general observation that conservatives and liberals just have a different emotional view of the wold — boethius
I wouldn't know, I dont see the world through some political ideology. I view human nature scientically, not politically. — Harry Hindu
I would say that there is a learning process here: SARS, MERS, Swineflu etc. Now countries are taking a concentrated and drastic measures. If we would be living in 20th Century, this would be like "a nasty flu". That's it. Old people die of flu, that's just a given. It tells something of the times.Had a containment strategy been effectively implemented, the same strategy that worked for Sars-1 and Ebola, the pandemic, in the least, would have been significantly slowed. — boethius
I would say that there is a learning process here: SARS, MERS, Swineflu etc. — ssu
The thing is these pandemics and the one we have now could have been equivalent to Spanish Flu or to mid-20th Century pandemics like the Asian flu and Hong Kong flu, but they weren't. And likely the outcome of this one will be far less also. It doesn't mean that this is at all less dangerous. — ssu
Apples and oranges.
You're comparing diseases prior to the advent of genetic engineering with those after, where viruses are created intentionally for scientific research or as a weapon, and possibly to control your population. India has a comparable sized population and geographic location with China, but most of these viruses are coming out of China.
At least actions taken now are dramatic. And China did at first respond badly, that's true.Containment was simply never seriously implemented in a globally coordinated manner this time around - — boethius
I agree with you. Time's really are changing. Just like 9/11 changed the whole attitude towards terrorism, we might have here a dramatic change on how we handle epidemics. In the 70's security was lax even if in Europe there was a lot of terrorism.The "problem" in terms of disruption to our lives and the economy, is indeed psychological. People are no longer accustomed to their loved one's dying for preventable reasons in rich countries — boethius
At least actions taken now are dramatic. And China did at first respond badly, that's true. — ssu
However, Europe has, ultimately, less to fear from this pandemic because socialist institutions are in place to more easily deal with it.
You think so?It is very possible China made sure it "was let loose globally" either by reflexive cover-up of inept mandalorians or then by design once it was clearly going to have massive implications in China. Obviously, China is first to fail to contain. — boethius
When one option for reasons for bad political decisions is ineptness, I know for what option I'll go for. — ssu
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