Just doing some poking around and had clear up some misinformation. You even had me convinced for a second there. — NOS4A2
Just because Ziemer’s position was discontinued does not mean everyone who was part of the team was fired or that all of the functions of the directorate ceased. According to reporting by the Atlantic and the Washington Post, some team members were shifted to other groups, and others took over some of Ziemer’s duties. An NSC spokesman at the time said that the administration “remains committed to global health, global health security and biodefense, and will continue to address these issues with the same resolve under the new structure. — NOS4A2
"In my view Trump has now secured the essential state power mechanisms (why he's now so happy on TV) thanks to unquestioning loyalty of the Republican base that have kept all the Republican senators and congress members in line, and avoided a revolution of the moderate Republicans teaming with the Democrats to impeach him.
So great for Trump. And a great day for Trump supporters for sure.
However, supporting an incompetent statesman who falls in love with dictators is not necessarily a good future for any American, including Republicans. When a real crisis comes, history has shown that governments filled with loyal sycophants simply lose their grip on the situation."
— boethius - April 2018 - Re: Kavanaugh and Ford — boethius
I haven't said anything at all about radically reducing the human population deliberately, or anything about how such a thing (done in what most would think an acceptable way) would be possible or even desirable. So, it looks like it isn't I who is failing to follow the conversation. — Janus
On the other hand, if it were decided to simply euthanaze 80 or 90 percent of the population how exactly do think that would adversely affect the natural environment? — Janus
The basic problem, that which is creating the conditions for runaway capitalism, industrial farming practices, resource depletion, soil, land and ocean degradation and pollution, is overpopulation. — Janus
It was interesting to see what they ran out of. Bread, eggs, toilet paper, and rice were all gone. Seafood, canned beans, yogurt, and cheese were plentiful. I bought some precooked hot wings, which is my staple survival food during coronavirus scares. — Hanover
Man I was hoping the toilet paper thing sparked a bidet renaissance; ever since I went to Japan I've been hoping that bidets become a standard thing everywhere, but alas, we're stuck with paper :rage: — StreetlightX
In all seriousness, that is what probability theory would say. It is quite likely that it's going to be rather rare (but not impossible) to get down with a serious corona infection (needing hospital level care) with the precautions and the attitudes now taken. Of course everybody now having flu symptoms will be careful. And as flu is quite common, we will have our corona-scares.My prediction is that no one here will die or lose a close family member to the virus. If they do, I'll look like a dick for saying this, but that's the risk I'm willing to take, putting my nice guy reputation on the line. — Hanover
Once something is going off the shelves and we use it on a daily basis, the hoarding starts.Any thoughts on how this whole toilet paper craze got started? — Echarmion
Sounding like Trump few weeks ago on the corona issue. But ultimately people will have enough of toilet paper. :razz:We're over the peak of toilet role panic now. — Punshhh
I believe it is partly caused by people feeling like they no longer have control over their lives and (at least for now) they have some control what they can buy it seems like "buying toilet paper" has become an outlet for people to funnel their energy into instead of biting their nails or grasping at pearls, although I'm pretty sure they are doing that now. It might also help to know that during the Spanish Influenza people where given shots that only vitamins in them (ie a placebo) in order to help remove some of the anxiety people where experiencing since they didn't have a vaccine at the time.Any thoughts on how this whole toilet paper craze got started? By now it's clearly a self-reinforcing cycle. But at some point, someone must have figured that the one thing they'll need in case they are cut off from supplied is toilet paper. Lots of toilet paper. — Echarmion
Yeah, but how did it start going off the shelves in the first place? I understand what is happening now, in terms of the psychology involved, but I don't get how it started. — Echarmion
I know that they are being advised by some of the world's top epidemiologists, but there is a growing suspicion that the government is limiting the strategy to one of a number of models provide by them. The model of blunting, or smoothing out the peak of the epidemic while accepting that at least 80% of the population will become infected anyway. In the aim that this degree of infection will generate a heard immunity and subsequently smooth out any following peaks. — Punshhh
What also might be feeding the toilet paper frenzy is the news and social media talking about the toilet paper frenzy. Many items have been sold out for weeks now (ie dust mask, hand sanitizers, gloves,etc) which in and of themselves isn't that newsworthy but the idea of a run on toilet paper is pretty comical and gives some insight into how crazy the situation might be if out of all things for a store to run out of. Only in a zombie apocalypse (or some other apocalypse for that matter) would there be a need for people to stock up on 4 to 6 months worth of toilet paper. Also if one has that much toilet paper on hand but no food or water I don't think all that toilet paper will be that useful. However since most people can't afford to stock on half a year worth of food,water, medical supplies they might be able to buy half a years worth of toilet paper.Yeah, but how did it start going off the shelves in the first place? I understand what is happening now, in terms of the psychology involved, but I don't get how it started. — Echarmion
A prank like that is almost as bad as shouting "fire" in a movie theater considering the state of the world we live in nowadays but it would be still a little humorous if it is one of the things that started all of this.I heard that the toilet paper craze started in Australia, where a newspaper staged a scene of empty shelves. In fact they had taken the toilet paper off the shelves and stacked it behind the camera. — Punshhh
Flanked by the country's chief scientific and medical advisers, the Prime Minister announced that his government was moving to the "delay" phase of its plan to tackle the outbreak, and warned Britons that they were facing their "worst public health crisis for a generation" and should be prepared "to lose loved ones before their time."
And yet, faced with such grave prospects, would the UK be taking the same stringent precautions as other affected countries? No, was the answer. At least not for now. — CNN
But many prominent members of the medical community are unconvinced by the government's approach. Doctors on the front line of intensive care units have warned about the potential lack of respirators, as seen in Italy and China when cases peaked there, and said that if staff become sick themselves, access to experienced labor could become a problem.
The editor-in-chief of the influential journal The Lancet criticized the UK's response to the crisis. "To avoid an unmanageable catastrophe in the UK, we need to be honest about what seems likely to happen in coming weeks. We need urgent surge capacity in intensive care. The NHS is not prepared," Richard Horton tweeted Thursday.
"I am not being alarmist. What is happening in Italy is real and taking place now. Our government is not preparing us for that reality. We need immediate and assertive social distancing and closure policies. We need to prepare the NHS. This is a serious plea." — CNN
Live: Spain prepares for lockdown as WHO question's UK's "herd immunity" strategy — theguardian
...Says some who doesnt even do a basic Google search before posting ignorance like this.Jost now
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Live: Spain prepares for lockdown as WHO queston's UK "herd immunity" strategy
Turns out the pandemic experts haven't heard of this approach.
Why? because it's completely made up by propagandists to try to cover their asses. — boethius
The fact is that previous flu pandemics have had higher death rates more more deaths than coronovirus, yet the media (and others) has fanned the flames, causing hysteria within the ignorant portion of the population. — Harry Hindu
The reality is:Here's the reality folks. If Italy had acted sooner, this may not have happened. Death rate there stands at 6%. — Baden
the Italian population is the oldest in Europe, with about 23 percent of the inhabitants age 65 or older — and with a median age of 47.3, compared with 38.3 in the US, according to Live Science, which cited the New York Times.
Many of those who have died in Italy were in their 80s and 90s, a segment of the population that is more susceptible to the ravages of COVID-19.
The overall death rate depends on the demographics of a population, Aubree Gordon, an associate professor of epidemiology at the University of Michigan, told Live Science. — NY Post
Did you even read the link I posted? — Harry Hindu
The fact is that previous flu pandemics have had higher death rates more more deaths than coronavirus, yet the media (and others) has fanned the flames, causing hysteria within the ignorant portion of the population. — Harry Hindu
And some early reports say COVID-19 may have a higher death rate than the seasonal flu. But we may soon find out it’s less deadly than initial reports since so many people with COVID-19 have mild symptoms or are asymptomatic and therefore don’t see a doctor and are largely unaccounted for. — Healthline
Harry Hindu It seems like most people see life through a political prism, which is a shame. It's why we have threads like this pointing fingers at each other rather than China - where all this shit comes from.
Shoppers charged over toilet paper brawl | Nine News Australia — dclements
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