a room, that is a necessary condition for something blowing up. Every instance of someone lighting a match would be the proximate cause. I allow people to enter this room knowingly..is that correct?
Now obviously the analogy isn't perfect. There are good experiences to be had in that natural gas room too in our case. Also, the proximal cause in the real world case is always varying, but we know they will be caused, which is my point. — schopenhauer1
For example. Here an appropriate analogy : If I hadn't walked down the street, I wouldn't have been robbed. My walking down the street caused the robbery. That's basically the argument you are now forwarding. — Benkei
In the procreational decision, everything is in the abstract, including the fact that harm (whatever it is) will take place for someone else. — schopenhauer1
Even if for some reason I caused people to walk on the streets, there's still no moral dimension whatsoever because there's no causal link. — Benkei
Who undertakes the action is totally irrelevant as to understanding the causality. And in the abstract it's even worse; if people walk on the streets, then they may get robbed. Walking on the streets therefore causes robberies. As if.
Even if for some reason I caused people to walk on the streets, there's still no moral dimension whatsoever because there's no causal link. — Benkei
I agree with the notion that people should not be used as a means, but again it is not that simple because the species has developed in a way in which parents are used at times by their offspring and offspring are used by their parents. Reducing natural human societal behaviour into idealological arguments is not of great value. Likewise it is not helpful to view procreation as the fault of the parents. It is a natural human state for babies to be born, the parents are merely continuing the processes of human life when they procreate. It is actually more helpful to look at humanity as a whole. Indeed I am very much of the opinion that humanity is one organism, one animal, which has divided into individual beings so as to take advantage of its situation.I am in line generally with Kant's idea that people should not be used as a means if you can help it. Well, having children in order for them to take care of the elderly or having children to outpopulate your enemy is using children for a means. What is the cost of using people like this? The suffering person that will be born. Think of the suffering not how they can be used, or how much YOU think THEY should enjoy this or that part of life.
Some of us see the possibility of a bright future for humanity and indeed the world. Admittedly it's not looking very rosy at the moment. But it is not necessarily the prerogative of any individual to decide the fate of future generations, in the light of current conditions.The point is that if there is something like Ebola in the world and physical diseases of all sorts known and as of yet unknown, who are we to throw more humans into that and cause more suffering?
Or bad luck. For having Trump as president I suppose.
Well, it is likely a factor of two things one which is that one of the first areas to get hit was an elderly community where many people are over 60 and/or have underlining health issue that are problematic if they get the virus. There are some countries with hundreds of cases of corona virus and no deaths. The fact that in the US some of the first cases were at a elderly facility doesn't mean much other than we are very late in detecting the virus since people started dying before anyone knew they knew these residents were sick and nobody knew the person who gave it to them had the virus either. Right now it is likely that there are too few cases in the US to worry about the CFR number here, and only when it gets to be around 5,000 to 10,000 (which it should soon enough) will you have a better idea what the fatality rate will be.So the CFR in the US is over 5% now. Not even China's or Iran's is that high. That leaves a couple of possibilities:
1. Not enough testing/leg-work to identify cases;
2. Crappy healthcare;
3. Pre-existing conditions/bad lifestyle choices exacerbating likelihood of dying.
A combination of those three.
Or bad luck. For having Trump as president I suppose. — Benkei
That's because the corona virus IS the common cold or at least to the best of my knowledge it is. If you want to know how you can prevent the common cold the best answer is that you really can't other than perhaps live in a plastic bubble for awhile. If the fact that it is more similar to the common cold than the flu doesn't bother you, then you are likely not scared enough yet.CNN is very helpfully reporting that symptoms include:
a runny nose,
a cough,
a sore throat.
Of course, those are also the symptoms of a common cold. And since the Coronavirus affects the lower respiratory system, it does not actually cause a runny nose. — Echarmion
You like reasoning and argument, don't you? Here's some reasoning and argument.
https://slate.com/technology/2020/03/coronavirus-mortality-rate-lower-than-we-think.html?fbclid=IwAR2Di6GSNzwF8WJ4RDVmkLjwJr7x8sY5Bnwq-UJY_Uv3WmUu4EmjHP3XRZU — unenlightened
Or bad luck. For having Trump as president I suppose. — Benkei
You like reasoning and argument, don't you? Here's some reasoning and argument.
https://slate.com/technology/2020/03/coronavirus-mortality-rate-lower-than-we-think.html?fbclid=IwAR2Di6GSNzwF8WJ4RDVmkLjwJr7x8sY5Bnwq-UJY_Uv3WmUu4EmjHP3XRZU — unenlightened
the corrupt warmongering hag
You mean the 30,000 e-mail from her unsecured toilet server that were all about yoga classes and babysitting? Have you seen them? I thought publishing it is a crime, no?Oh, those emails, scary stuff. — Punshhh
I do not see how the ME will ever be a "good place".So Trump's Middle East policy has lead to a good place? — Punshhh
But the hypothetical asymptomatic cases that were not counted for fatality rate were also not counted for infection rate, so the net result is zero. — SophistiCat
Please make sure your politicians have corona virus before you bring them to this thread. — unenlightened
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