The community would ostracize individuals with really bad behavior. — Noah Te Stroete
That's why they say that democracy is the worst possible form of government, except for all the currently available other forms. — god must be atheist
As it stands now, most of us are oppressed and traumatized serfs. Given the chance, many of us would kill the king. — Noah Te Stroete
But the king is he demos. The electorate. You and me. — god must be atheist
Supposedly there were exceptions, such as people motivated by a higher moral philosophy or purpose. Generally, I'm against the notion of "anarchy", and I think there is enough evidence and legal and moral philosophy indicating that, at least some, would potentially act immoraliy in an anarchist scenario in which there was no centralized legal system — IvoryBlackBishop
Allah forgiveth not that partners should be set up with Him; but He forgiveth anything else, to whom he pleaseth. To set up partners with Allah is to devise a sin most heinous indeed. — Quran 4:48
I doubt that. It sounds completely implausible to me. — Isaac
The words of the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) may be applied to the secularist: “Wretched is the slave of the dinar and the slave of the dirham and the slave of the khameesah (a kind of luxurious garment made of wool with patterns). If he is given he is pleased and if he is not given he becomes discontent. May he be wretched and doomed, and if he is pricked with a thorn may it not be pulled out (i.e., may he have no help to remove it).” Narrated by al-Bukhaari (2887). — Sunnah on the problem of prioritizing the corporate oligarchy
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What happened in 1958? — Pfhorrest
So...teaching creationism in bible school is immoral. Or that christ has risen. Or most other bible stories.
I agree with that.
then how come the religious claim that the core of their (and others') moral behaviour is based on the bible?
Are you ABSOLUTELY, POSITIVELY sure that lying to children is ALWAYS immoral?
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The level of moral judgement a person attains depends on the person's belief system and education. — Athena
Now if the belief system explains it is our nature to be evil and therefore there must be authority over the people, then the stage of moral development will remain low. — Athena
That is a totally different level of thinking than average Christian thinking, and the 2012 Texas Republican agenda was to prevent education for higher order thinking. — Athena
Text books in Texas are very much controlled by Christians, however, when teachers protested teaching creationism and having it put in science text books, the supreme court ruled against including creationism in science books and against teaching it as science. That is, at the supreme court level, reason trumped religious belief. — Athena
We desperately need to return to understanding what morality has to do with liberty and what education has to do with good moral judgement or the lack of it! the 1958 National Defense Education Act decision to end education for good moral judgment and leave moral training to the church, was a huge mistake! — Athena
When the only God is an impossible to believe God, the nation is split between the believers in that God and non believers. — Athena
The union of our nation that was built on reason, is being shredded! Our liberty is being destroyed and our growing dependency on authority over us is frightening. — Athena
Allowing the corporate oligarchy to dictate the law and its resulting morality is considered utmost evil in Islam:
The words of the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) may be applied to the secularist: “Wretched is the slave of the dinar and the slave of the dirham and the slave of the khameesah (a kind of luxurious garment made of wool with patterns). If he is given he is pleased and if he is not given he becomes discontent. May he be wretched and doomed, and if he is pricked with a thorn may it not be pulled out (i.e., may he have no help to remove it).” Narrated by al-Bukhaari (2887). — Sunnah on the problem of prioritizing the corporate oligarchy
While trade and commerce are clearly permitted, all the while taking into account that usury is strictly forbidden, it is not permissible in Islamic law to give free rein to greed.
Furthermore, the believer resolutely rejects a system in which the corporate oligarchy dictates the law with a view on turning greed into the core moral value of society, i.e. a false god, because associating such corporate lawmakers as partners to Allah is impermissible behaviour for the believer. According to the Quran, the punishment for such behaviour is eternal damnation. — alcontali
Well that certainly provides a potential explanation of a large chunk of the planet not reaching higher levels of moral reasoning. — ZhouBoTong
That pedagogic education played absolutely no part whatsoever in maintaining the more egalitarian society created by the sudden removal of the alpha males. — Isaac
A quick run down of the issues with Kohlberg. — Isaac
that there is a strong disconnect between making culturally appropriate moral judgements and behaving in a manner consistent with those judgements. — Isaac
As people like Jonathon Haidt have said, much of this moral judgement is post hoc rationalisation for actions which we took for more basic behavioural reasons anyway. — Isaac
Kohlberg's stages are not cross-cultural. They basically reflect Western modern cultural institutions in various forms, — Isaac
it's not necessarily about developmental stages as it is is about an assessment of the appropriate moral codes to apply in different circumstances. As a child grows up in a culture their circumstances change and different moral approaches become more suitable to their situation. — Isaac
What are your thoughts? — IvoryBlackBishop
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