Surely the act of saying something is art is the alteration. — Punshhh
But why? — Brett
I trying to determine why the artefact is not a work if art. — Brett
From what you say you believe that these artefacts from the past, these totems, have no relationship to art, and, possibly, that there was no art then. — Brett
This is the test, I guess. Why would it be regarded as art 20,000 years from now? — Brett
Note, the whole point of the test - why it is a good test - is that it helps us overcome the prejudices of our current age and look beyond the norms of our own culture. — Bartricks
I understand that and I appreciate your test. But can you be sure that your own contemporary views about art are not prejudicing your opinion against “The Venus”, can you be sure that you’re not bound, unconsciously, by the norms of contemporary culture? — Brett
But this test can reasonably be expected to overcome many such corrupting forces precisely because the judges in question - the archaeologists - are passing judgement about something they believe to belong to another culture. — Bartricks
Realism in art comes to my mind. Great art is a manifestation of courage and it takes the greatest courage to present reality as it is. — Wittgenstein
are many painters but not all of them are artists, as there are many dancers but not all of them are artists. Great artists also create work that is instantly recognisable as being from that artist, the work and their name become synonymous with each other. — Brett
I would challenge anybody to suggest an art work that would stand up to all that this thread contains — Pop
It seems to me that your idea is that art is a concept — Brett
Edit: and culture doesn’t determine art. — Brett
Most of the artist that we have in the mainstream are all about buisness and not about art.Bad art is worse than nothing. When you have nothing infront of you. You probably feel normal but when you see some terrible stuff, you feel terrible and abhor it. That's why l have a tendency to not even regard terrible art as art and one of the biggest BS told is that art depends on taste of the perceiver but l think every art has some standard and time will always preserve great art if people develop the right perspective to see it in line of the artistic tradition. This view also answers the question of artist being neglected during their lifetime and only achieving the status of a great artist after passing away. I hold that great art will always rise to the top as long as the artist tries to present it to the society. — Wittgenstein
I hold that great art will always rise to the top as long as the artist tries to present it to the society. — Wittgenstein
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