It's not left field, are you familiar with the threads on consciousness? — Punshhh
So a spider is conscious and has a mind, I agree, does a bacteria, or a tree as well? — Punshhh
But they are closely related to us, their cells are virtually identical to ours, why would they not be conscious, is it because they don't apparently have a mind? They do create art by the way.No, I don't think there's any good reason to suppose that a bacteria or a tree has a mind.
How do you know this conflation happens if you don't involve yourself in such threads? It does become a subject in those threads, but doesn't make them impotent.Not really - I don't engage with threads that have 'consciousness' in the title because right at the outset they invariably conflate consciousness with that which is conscious - that is, they conflate states with the things they are states of.
But they are closely related to us, their cells are virtually identical to ours, why would they not be conscious, is it because they don't apparently have a mind? — Punshhh
So a spider is conscious and has a mind, I agree, does a bacteria, or a tree as well? — Punshhh
But they will be aware that they are members of a culture to which the dug-up item's manufacturer did not belong, and so this should - in the main - operate to prevent them from applying their cultural aesthetic norms to the product they've uncovered. — Bartricks
As I see this what you’re suggesting is that this approach cancels out a bias in what art is and is not — Brett
Thus they will see it for what it is, and not for what this or that culture says it is — Bartricks
To put it in the terms discussed - what if the archaeologist dug up Duchamp's urinal ? — Pop
But again: we don't need the definition in order to be able to recognise that there is art in the world. — Bartricks
We can try and formulate definitions, but it is a mistake of the first order to think that our definitions are what's in charge. — Bartricks
What I am saying is that what it takes is a matter we investigate - a matter we use our reason to try and discern - — Bartricks
The concept of a chair is an idea - an idea of a chair. An actual chair is 'that which answers to the concept of a chair'. — Bartricks
But art doesn’t always answer to the concept of art. — Brett
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