French Philosopher Blaise Pascal argued that evidence for God is clear to the people who are willing to believe, not because it is mutually exclusive, but because your perspective is changed when you are absorbed into tradition and belief. Whereas the evidence is also vague enough for the people who do not believe, will not understand. — SethRy
Now what that argues is that — there is more to comprehensive reality than what meets the eye. — SethRy
(5) It seems highly unlikely to me that inanimate matter could spontaneously collect and organize itself into conscious beings all on its own without some kind of guidance. — Noah Te Stroete
Perhaps you find this arguement compelling. — Noah Te Stroete
So Jesus is a 'portion' of God rather than the whole of God. So Jesus is not a faithful copy of God - the part is not equal to the whole. By creating Jesus, God has subdivided himself, rather than created a copy of himself. — Devans99
Ha, that's funny. That poor excuse of an argument could be used for practically anything, so it falls flat on it's face. — S
It's clear to me that the Flying Spaghetti Monster exists, and if you were only willing to believe, then it would be clear to you, too. And anyone who doesn't believe as I do just doesn't understand, given the vagueness of the evidence. — S
The question then arises how did an infinite Jesus then fit in a finite sized human body? — Devans99
Because Jesus was not infinite, with his death being the evidence. Jesus as an emanate of God in human form, will consist of humanly, inevitable flaws like anger and sin. But Jesus as human, with the holy spirit dwelling inside him, will also have a portion of Divine Authority - thus having abilities of banishing evil, with an example as it follows; — SethRy
So Jesus is not infinite and Jesus is a part of God. That means God cannot be infinite (because ∞ / 2 = ∞; IE any division of infinity is itself infinity). That or the whole concept of infinity is wrong. — Devans99
The defective in this is I am begging the question, I presuppose the universe is infinite. To add, there is also too many presuppositions. But my point is, infinity in mathematics is distinct from metaphysical infinity. Provided that what we know of God is approximate, he is undefinable essentially. God I would say, also has accidental attributes, like he created the universe — SethRy
God created the universe. It is impossible to create anything infinite (because you would never finish doing so) so the universe must be finite. — Devans99
If God is somehow non-material then possibly he could have some form of 'metaphysical infinity' but it seems unlikely; it seems counter to common sense. — Devans99
So...anyone asserting "There are no gods" or "There is a GOD"...a burden of proof is created for which there is no unambiguous proof. — Frank Apisa
Yes, well, no. Anselm's argument... — SethRy
You and I know that, that is only satire to taint theism, so even your own mind would concede total faith in the Flying Spaghetti Monster with meatballs - so I would not think it applies to evidence from belief. Moreover, the history of the made deity can be traced back to our contemporary society, christian theism falls exponentially further than that.
Theism being looked upon as a fallacy, and treated with no respect is just egocentric and elitist. — SethRy
So...anyone asserting "There are no gods" or "There is a GOD"...a burden of proof is created for which there is no unambiguous proof. — Frank Apisa
The burden of proof applies only to when someone makes a claim. — Christoffer
(5) It seems highly unlikely to me that inanimate matter could spontaneously collect and organize itself into conscious beings all on its own without some kind of guidance.
(6) Thus, it is highly likely that matter was guided by some conscious being to form into conscious animals. — Noah Te Stroete
Atheists generally make the same mistake as the classic empiricist, they become intellectially comitted to the law of contradiction, and get inured and lost in the sphere
of understanding and reflection. — Merkwurdichliebe
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