don't see your point. Think I need sleep. — Banno
So when we come across something illogical, we have said it wrong, and look for a way to say it right. — Banno
The results of the double slit experiment appear to defy logic. Who misspoke and what did they say? — frank
The person I was responding to was making the case that even mathematical logic has an inherent normative component to it. Really all I was saying is that there are different senses to "logic" and the norms for correct reasoning is only one sense, it doesn't subsume the others.
I don't think FOPL really captures the intuitive reasoning we're drawn to either, I don't [think] any logic does. That's why people get tripped up by things like the material implication paradoxes or find "ex falso quodlibet" strange, because they don't map onto how we actually reason. FOPL is really, I think, about capturing a certain type of mathematical reasoning, as that was explicitly why Frege created it. — MindForged
↪Banno Even if you say illogical statements aren't truth apt, you still maintain that the world has to make sense. Correct? — frank
...the world must operate logically — frank
Does that, for you, imply that the world is in some way restricted in how it can and cannot be, by logic? — Banno
If the world were different to how it is, then we would have adopted a different logic, one suitable for that world.
Our grammar can change to match the world. — Banno
No, I wasn't suggesting that. I thought you were saying that non-logical language is nonsense and non-truth-apt. I was asking if we could therefore conclude that the world can't manifest a lack of logic. — frank
A non-logical language - a language without a grammar? How could you recognise a non-logical language, as a language? — Banno
We make logic to manifest the world. — Banno
They are part of a description of what language is. — Banno
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