1) What do you think the age of consent should be? — Tree Falls
2) Do you think my brother's behavior is wrong? — Tree Falls
3) Should our family friends be told about my brother? — Tree Falls
4) If your answer to questions 2 and 3 are yes, what in general am I ethically obligated to do? I am thinking above and beyond notifying our friends. Should I create a website solely devoted to my brother's behavior and engage in SEO so that his name will be a top 10 hit if someone googles him?
I don't relish being Javert in this situation, but it struck me that if I should notify our friends about my brother's behavior, what do I owe everyone else? Our friends' daughter is not intrinsically more valuable in the abstract than any other girl. So if I act to protect her, shouldn't I attempt to protect other girls from my brother since the cost to myself would be minimal? — Tree Falls
I don't have evidence that he has sex with girls under 16, — Tree Falls
My questions for the forum:
1) What do you think the age of consent should be?
2) Do you think my brother's behavior is wrong?
3) Should our family friends be told about my brother?
4) If your answer to questions 2 and 3 are yes, what in general am I ethically obligated to do? I am thinking above and beyond notifying our friends. Should I create a website solely devoted to my brother's behavior and engage in SEO so that his name will be a top 10 hit if someone googles him? — Tree Falls
1) What do you think the age of consent should be?
2) Do you think my brother's behavior is wrong?
3) Should our family friends be told about my brother?
4) If your answer to questions 2 and 3 are yes, what in general am I ethically obligated to do? I am thinking above and beyond notifying our friends. Should I create a website solely devoted to my brother's behavior and engage in SEO so that his name will be a top 10 hit if someone googles him?
I don't relish being Javert in this situation, but it struck me that if I should notify our friends about my brother's behavior, what do I owe everyone else? Our friends' daughter is not intrinsically more valuable in the abstract than any other girl. So if I act to protect her, shouldn't I attempt to protect other girls from my brother since the cost to myself would be minimal? — Tree Falls
3) Only if you are a sneeking little gossip. A person's private life ought to be private. Would you be happy to divulge all your own personal acts of self abuse, or sexual peculiarities? This is YOUR brother is it not? Do you not have a duty of loyalty? — charleton
2) Yes. It's rape. It may not be defined by statute where he practices, but it's rape none-the-less. — tim wood
3) In the way of a "word to the wise," yes. If it's my sixteen-year-old, then maybe I kill him. How does everyone feel about it then? — tim wood
He's not harmless. And perhaps he's good at denial and rationalization. — tim wood
4) The right thing. — tim wood
Really? The point is that the brother's practices are not private. And you may have a duty of loyalty, but in terms of love and forgiveness, not in terms of ignoring his actions to the peril of others. And don't forget civil and criminal notions of accessory-before-the-fact. — tim wood
1) What do you think the age of consent should be?
2) Do you think my brother's behavior is wrong?
3) Should our family friends be told about my brother?
4) If your answer to questions 2 and 3 are yes, what in general am I ethically obligated to do? I am thinking above and beyond notifying our friends. Should I create a website solely devoted to my brother's behavior and engage in SEO so that his name will be a top 10 hit if someone googles him? — Tree Falls
Really? The point is that the brother's practices are not private. — tim wood
And you may have a duty of loyalty, but in terms of love and forgiveness, not in terms of ignoring his actions to the peril of others. — tim wood
Let me educate you, in part, as to what rape is. In particular, if the girl is younger than the age of consent, then she cannot give consent: in a nutshell, that's what the age of consent is about. Whether or not she "gives consent" is irrelevant. Ask yourself why, in most cultures and societies, age-of-consent exists. Ask yourself why a middle-age male pursues girls.Hogwash. You don't know enough to know whether or not it was rape. You don't know whether or not there was mutual consent. — Sapientia
You miss the point. The OP is concerned about what he should do. In my example I merely point out that the world of consequences may be larger than he has considered, and that he is part of that world as well. In short, he is well-advised to consider as much as he can. I'm not defending anything, rather suggesting that when an evil person acts, one consequence is to draw other people into confusion as to what to do, and what might happen, or should happen.3) In the way of a "word to the wise," yes. If it's my sixteen-year-old, then maybe I kill him. How does everyone feel about it then?
— tim wood
It's not your sixteen-year-old, so that's an irrelevance. It's not all about feelings, and in fact feelings should be discouraged to an extent. No law should be founded, or advice given or taken, when the mind is clouded in the mist of passion or fury. — Sapientia
Agreed, but likely from the description. Of course we don't know if the OP is simply a creative school exercise.He's not harmless. And perhaps he's good at denial and rationalization.
— tim wood
That's not knowledge, that's speculation. — Sapientia
Please make the case where "the right thing" requires particular justification. Please point out where I mentioned publication.4) The right thing.
— tim wood
If concluded from speculation like that above, then your conclusion holds no weight. Making such publications would do the person harm, so you're going to need more than speculation to justify that act. — Sapientia
He's your brother! FFS
You duty to family is higher that the state.
And you have no evidence of illegality as you said. — charleton
I don't have evidence that he has sex with girls under 16, — Tree Falls
↪charleton Supposing "Tree Falls" was a professional who had a mandated duty-to-report child abuse, rape, plans for murder, etc. Would loyalty to family trump the law in this case? (Many people who have a duty-to-report make it a practice to caution anyone about to unload confidential or confessional information to be careful, because they are mandated reporters.) — Bitter Crank
I think this just about covers it.I don't have evidence that he has sex with girls under 16, — Tree Falls
1, A child physically old enough to perform sexually should be given appropriate information about sex and sexuality. Providing appropriate education doesn't mean they are then fair game for everyone who might want to have sex with them. One of the things that could be damaging about having sex "too soon" is not having a mature and trusted person (beside the sex partner) with whom to process the experience. — Bitter Crank
Let me educate you, in part, as to what rape is. In particular, if the girl is younger than the age of consent, then she cannot give consent: in a nutshell, that's what the age of consent is about. — tim wood
Let me educate you, in part, as to what rape is. In particular, if the girl is younger than the age of consent, then she cannot give consent: in a nutshell, that's what the age of consent is about. Whether or not she "gives consent" is irrelevant. Ask yourself why, in most cultures and societies, age-of-consent exists. Ask yourself why a middle-age male pursues girls. — tim wood
You miss the point. The OP is concerned about what he should do. In my example I merely point out that the world of consequences may be larger than he has considered, and that he is part of that world as well. In short, he is well-advised to consider as much as he can. I'm not defending anything, rather suggesting that when an evil person acts, one consequence is to draw other people into confusion as to what to do, and what might happen, or should happen. — tim wood
As to it not being my concern because it's not my daughter, are you kidding? How old are you? Have you never heard of community? You might argue about how much of a concern it should be, but an irrelevance? Now there's hogwash. — tim wood
Agreed, but likely from the description. Of course we don't know if the OP is simply a creative school exercise. — tim wood
Please make the case where "the right thing" requires particular justification. Please point out where I mentioned publication. — tim wood
And pay attention to the logic of hypothetical propositions. My "conclusion" is that the OP should do the right thing. The only way it's false is if the it - the conclusion - was got from speculationand he shouldn't do the right thing. — tim wood
Btw, as to facts, for the purposes of this thread, what the OP states are the "facts." — tim wood
As to evidence of illegality, the OP makes clear there's history and a predilection. — tim wood
Telling the girl's parents your brother is a perv is the responsible thing to do if you really believe it's likely he's going to try to have sex with her. I'm not sure you do, but you'll have to weigh the evidence for yourself.
Broadcasting to the world that your brother is a dangerous sexual predator strikes me as reckless vigilantism. Your evidence is too limited for that, and if you do learn of specific violations, you need to go to law enforcement, not your keyboard. — Hanover
The point of the OP, as I hear it, is that the brother is a bad actor in ways that make him arguably a predator. That, and such things as addiction or outright criminal behaviour, redefine ordinary relationships. Most folks, and perhaps partially to their credit, fail to understand that. The bad guy,is a bad guy. The guy who does bad things, does bad things. It can be dangerous to overlook such things. Either way it's painful. But the bad guy/bad actor is at fault, is responsible. Everyone else, at least at the first cut, is a victim of the badness. — tim wood
Hey Mr. (Ms?) Wisdom: try reading the OP. Two arrests. Apparently no prison, but after the second arrest, apparently bad to stay. Twenty years sleeping with girls. Who knows, maybe a real woman once in a while. If you're arguing that 16-19 is an adult in any other sense than legal ability to consent in some jurisdictions, then I have to imagine you have experience either only with older people or only with younger people, because apparently you don't seems to realize they're different. A sexually experienced (100+) middle aged man who targets 16-19-year-olds is like a ranked professional boxer who fights high schools boys. Fair fight? Admirable? Healthy and beneficial to all concerned? Or just maybe something wrong. The brother and the family think something is wrong. Why second guess them? And like most nice people, they're not entirely sure what to do. We who know something about all of this can tell them. We tell them, "You're a victim. Your confusion is understandable. One sign of an evil person is that he creates confusion. Your difficulty in determining what's best to do is a sign of confusion. Keep in mind the bad actor creates the mess, not you. The bad actor/bad action can and often does redefine the relationship. Try to understand the new relationship as best you can - get professional help. Try to figure out as best you can the right thing to do. Again, professional help is good. Then act. If it's the right thing, it will be all right, notwithstanding what your brother thinks."Hey presto! No illegality, — Sapientia
The point of the above reply, as I hear it, is: "I've heard that this guy's a bad guy, so I'm going to assume that he's a bad guy. Guilty before proven innocent. Go ahead and warn people about this bad guy. That's the right thing to do because he's a bad guy and he'll probably try to rape your teenage girl."
God, if I ever end up in court for any reason, I hope someone like you is not on the jury. — Sapientia
A sexually experienced (100+) middle aged man who targets 16-19-year-olds is like a ranked professional boxer who fights high schools boys. Fair fight? Admirable? Healthy and beneficial to all concerned? Or just maybe something wrong. — tim wood
if the girl is younger than the age of consent, then she cannot give consent — tim wood
Yes.So to clarify my dilemma, suppose the age of my friend's daughter were 16. Should I then tell my friend about my brother's preference for girls that age? — Tree Falls
And crucially, if you think I should tell my friend, then why shouldn't I broadcast my brother's sexual choices to the world? — Tree Falls
My friend's 16 year old daughter is not inherently more valuable than other 16 year old girls. — Tree Falls
As a parent I can understand your concern and would Thank you for the heads up. I would also let your brother know that I said as such and let him deal with the consequences of not seeing anything wrong with a 16 yr old being hit on by a 40 yr old man. Let him see the reality of what other people actually think. Let the father or mother of the 16 yr old talk to your brother about his interests, you know, adult to adult. — ArguingWAristotleTiff
So should I or shouldn't I put up a website telling the world that my brother likes to sleep with 16-19 year old girls? If not, why not? — Tree Falls
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