Like I said, the ties with the CIA, MI6 and Mossad are clear. — Tzeentch

Let me tell you something about Epstein. Everything published about him which is "clear", is what he wanted the public to know. What he was really doing, his intentions, he obscured and kept secret. There are two sides to him, the public presentation, and the private, what he was actually doing. And, he was a master at secrecy. That's why he did what he did, so well.

A bit rich coming from a person who jumped at the first opportunity to pin it on the Russians, don't you think?

And what a convenient way to muddy the waters: everything that's clear is in fact suspect! It has a nice Orwellian ring to it.

Anyway, you believe what you want to believe buddy.

It is well known that the CIA, MI6 and Mossad do the same. Your point?

My point is that Russia had become a friend, you know, even Putin was asking to join NATO at one point. The spies let their guard down. Meanwhile Putin was planning full scale hybrid war and funding his Oligarchs to hob nob and make friends with influential people in the West. Ripe for the picking. By this point Russia was Putin, Putin was Russia. On the other side, the CIA wasn’t the U.S., the U.S. and Europe particularly the Germans and the British had become complacent.

And the US just so happened to be at the absolute peak of its power, while Russia was at its low point.

Where were the U.S. and the U.K., why weren’t they infiltrating Russia, getting ready for hybrid warfare? They were asleep at the wheel.

The Americans are the good guys after all!

Straw.

I don't mind interacting with people's original takes, but you're just making shit up on the spot and evidently know very little about geopolitics.

The deep state’s political hits against DNI Gabbard have returned, which indicates to me that she’s directly over the target.

Classified Whistleblower Complaint About Tulsi Gabbard Stalls Within Her Agency

(Note: poisoning the well is the point—buried deep in the article is that the whistleblower complaint was deemed “not credible” by the Inspector General of both the Biden and Trump admins)

Recent news about her investigating the 2020 election in Georgia and Puerto Rico hints at what the possible target may be.

Just picture yourself still believing that the 2020 election was stolen (now whittled down to the last hope: maybe something happened in Georgia!). Imagine it. Then have someone thump your head with a stone.

:lol: :up:

Ooh ooh, I must have hit a nerve.

No clue where you got that idea. I just can't be arsed to educate you. :lol:

I’m aware of your geopolitics, but this is not really a geopolitical story, it’s more a spy and espionage novel. Now who is the evil mastermind in this story? Can you think of any names that fit the bill.

Now who is the evil mastermind in this story? Can you think of any names that fit the bill. — Punshhh

Genuinely, I have no idea. Epstein was obviously a fixer of some kind for very powerful interests. He called himself a representative of the Rothschilds, and Arianne de Rothschild was directly involved with him.

But the truth is that what has come to the surface is probably only the tip of the iceberg. If whoever is behind this managed to keep this scheme under the rug for ~50 years, there's no telling how deep this thing goes.

Rumors of powerful people involved with human trafficking and pedophile networks have circulated in Europe for decades as well.

My guess is that Epstein wasn't unique, just the one that got caught. Again: tip of the iceberg.

watch the brief (about one-minute) video Trump posted to his official social media account

It ends with the obscenely racist image of the Obamas as monkeys

https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/posts/116021857490657707

Reactions to it on Insta -


https://www.instagram.com/reel/DUZ-1ONDpE8/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link&igsh=NTc4MTIwNjQ2YQ==

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DUaHNyfDkDs/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link&igsh=NTc4MTIwNjQ2YQ==

Obvious racist is obvious.

As I've been saying before, I don't think the problem is Trump, just like the problem isn't the racists. It's the people who allow the racists and Trump to reach power that is the problem.

Society will always have fringe people who become broken and hurt society. And it's the job of society to make sure that these fringe people do not reach power and influence because it can skew society towards a place which doesn't really reflect the empathic nature of regular people, and instead skew them towards their own fringe ideas.

Humans, as they grow up, constantly have an internal battle between these fringe ideas and the more sane values which makes them a functional part of the collective of society. But if society have been pushing the skewed ideals into cultural norms, then it will enforce these skewed ideas within people maturing.

The job of society is to make sure this doesn't happen. And this is why the US is an immature toddler as a whole. It was always founded on immature ideals that it never grew out of.

While other societies mature, the intelligent people will take note of it and learn from other's mistakes or success. Steal ideas to create a better society without having to go through blood first.

The US has never been good at this because it was founded by a fundamental rejection of the rest of the world. A place to go to if you were sick of were you were.

But this has now come back to bite the US in the ass. While other more matured nations in the world found stability, the US just rejected their ideas and hugged the US flag like a scared children hugging its parent.

So, don't blame Trump for being a racist, disgusting excrement of US politics and business, he's just the symptom of a culture that hasn't matured enough to make necessary changes to its fundamental ideas about how society should function.

The only power that the US has had is that it has always functioned as a societal manifestation of trade and the market. It's been a hub for business, and as such it has made the dollar into the world reserve currency and English into the main language spoken everywhere. It's functioned as a world market place, a bazaar, with screaming store owners and shady deals.

But you cannot build society in a mall, bazaar or market place. People have nowhere to live in there, there's no actual functions for living standards. Everyone tries to fit their lives in between the stores and commerce, but the ones who take up the most space are the ones who are good at selling and trading. Those who are businessmen. They get all the space they need, they get to roam that landscape.

The US is a mall and Trump is the guy swirling the sign that screams of good deals, while the store owners try to hide the working staff who cries in the break room.

That is the US condition.

I don't think the problem is Trump — Christoffer

I understand where you're coming from, but I'm not quite prepared to relieve the autocrat (and his enablers) of accountability. The damage happening in the US does not happen without Trump.

Leadership matters, and whether that leadership seeks to unite or divide, and whether that leadership puts his own self-serving needs or those of the country first.

I understand where you're coming from, but I'm not quite prepared to relieve the autocrat (and his enablers) of accountability. The damage happening in the US does not happen without Trump.

Leadership matters, and whether that leadership seeks to unite or divide, and whether that leadership puts his own self-serving needs or those of the country first. — Questioner

He's an accelerationist of the fundamental problems with the US. In that sense there's something good that might come out of all of this, because instead of a slow death of the US, it's a rapid one.

I'm not saying he's not responsible, I'm saying that there are far more like him, or close to his values who needs to be purged from politics.

The US, as it exists today, need to die so that it can be reborn. Since the US has an evangelical view of its own importance and excellence, that delusion of excellence and importance must crumble so that things can be rebuilt on its ruins.

A fundamental breakdown of the constitution might lead to a necessary update to the constitution. A breakdown in how justice and law functions, might lead to an update to how law and justice functions. A breakdown in US values, might lead to an update in US values.

Why do we want things to return to the slow death of the US? When Trump is purged from politics by becoming a dark stain on US history in the history books, the important part is to also purge the rest of his type of power.

The US needs a revolution, or it will become a semi-third world nation just like Russia. A place of oligarchs and poor people, being pillaged and sent to war by those oligarchs; never able to stand up without being sent to prison. That revolution doesn't need to be a bloody uprising, it just needs people pushing the filth and rot out of the halls of power, and replacing it with actual representatives of the people, able to reshape the national politics into a new era, free from the delusions of the past.

The inability to change for the better is what is destroying the US and this is not Trump's fault, but the essential nature of US culture.

Trump is just just the evangelical mascot of all of this, performing the rotten values that the US population have been too apathetic to purge from society.

As I said:

The US is a mall and Trump is the guy swirling the sign that screams of good deals, while the store owners try to hide the working staff who cries in the break room. — Christoffer

Thank you for the insightful (though dark) take on things.

, yeah, saw that. :/

Trump shares a racist video that depicts the Obamas as primates in a jungle
^{— Bill Barrow, Josh Boak · AP · Feb 6, 2026}
Trump shares racist video depicting Obamas as apes
^{— Colleen Jenkins, Daniel Wallis · Reuters · Feb 6, 2026}

On the same day, Trump posted a video that outlined how the post-civil-war Republicans advanced the rights of African Americans and the Democrats were the racists.

It completely ignores the fact that the ideologies of the parties flipped during the 20th century.

In the 1860s-1870s – the Republicans were the progressives, and the Democrats the conservative party

By the time of FDR – the Democrats were the progressives, and the Republicans the conservative party

As if to correct that mistake, Trump posted the Obamas as monkeys, just to make it plain where they now stand

Trump posted the Obamas as monkeys — Questioner

Any support for Trump now is an explicit declaration that you are a racist

It is, at least, verification that Trump is racist.

Trump has survived so many revelations of his character that he figures himself to be invulnerable.

This instance feels different. Maybe Macbeth is calling for his own destruction through complaining about the boredom with his charmed life.

Ooh ooh, I must have hit a nerve. — Punshhh

Yep, you seem to hit the nerve. :up:

Of course it was first the war against Georgia, the Russian army hadn't been yet reformed, but it managed because the Georgians were even more unprepared to fight the Russian 58th army. That the US didn't respond, but let Georgia on it's own just like Europe did basically emboldened Putin (who actually then was prime minister and Medvedev the President). There had been these interventions earlier in the disguise of "Russian peacekeepers" (even South Ossetia had them to defend the Pro-Kremlin insurgents), but this was the first conventional war with a neighbor state. After the war the West tried several times to "reset" the ties. This was basically what every US President has done since Clinton.



So you can call it sleeping on the wheel, but in reality it's simply hoping that Putin and Russia would be something that the US hoped it to be.

One other thing that I'd like to draw people's attention to, and am interested in hearing people's thoughts on, are some of the wilder rumors and accusations surrounding the Epstein case.

I'm sure many of you are aware that there have been testimonies about Epstein and the elite that frequented his company that are so grotesque they defy belief. These testimonies go well beyond the abuse of adolescents and young women.

Given the amount and consistency of testimonies that have been given over time, I've always considered the possibility that what was suggested could be real, yet at the same time what was being described was so outlandish and repulsive that it was simply hard to believe.

The recent revelations contain various examples of coded language being used to disguise what people speculate are conversations about extreme child abuse. One of the more well-known examples are abnormal conversations about 'cheese pizza', which is commonly understood to be a reference to sexually explicit material containing minors (as I'm sure you understand if you take the first letters of each word).

Out of sensitivity for this platform and its members, I won't go into any details.

What I'm curious about is whether recent events have changed your opinion about the credibility of these claims.

Peak anti-Trumpism is becoming more and more common.

“A federal grand jury returned an indictment earlier this week charging a 33-year-old man with threatening to kill the Vice President of the United States during his visit to the Northwest Ohio region in January.”

“While investigating the alleged threats, federal agents discovered multiple files of child sexual abuse materials in the defendant’s possession.”

https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/ohio-man-charged-threatening-kill-vice-president-united-states

Peak anti-Trumpism is becoming more and more common. — NOS4A2

You're out of the loop.

No-one - and I mean no-one - has put more targets on the backs of people than Donald Trump.

And his best friend was a pedophile.

I'm sure many of you are aware that there have been testimonies about Epstein and the elite that frequented his company that are so grotesque they defy belief. These testimonies go well beyond the abuse of adolescents and young women. — Tzeentch

I think that's one way of dealing with a scandal: make it so absolutely bizarre and outlandish and give the room to the most eccentric conspiracies, you make it simply too crackpot for people to hold interest. Just remember what happened to the 9/11 truthers.

As if to correct that mistake, Trump posted the Obamas as monkeys, just to make it plain where they now stand — Questioner

Well, Trump was amazed to find out that Lincoln was a Republican. Who knew?

The MAGA-cult has nothing to do with conservatism or the values of the Republican party. It is a revolutionary movement.

The bunker view is that none of the reactions to the Administration are about what they do or do not do. There is no loop.

Trump posted the Obamas as monkeys
— Questioner

Any support for Trump now is an explicit declaration that you are a racist — Questioner

:100:

:up: :up:

Hmm... Cause for concern?

Trump’s FBI Sends Ominous Note to Election Officials About Midterms
^{— Ellie Quinlan Houghtaling · The New Republic · Feb 6, 2026}