Why is there so little attention given on this thread/forum to the Epstein case?

A clear picture is being painted of a decades-spanning extortion and blackmailing racket ran by Epstein and his wife, whose job it was to collect dirt on all sorts of high-profile people from all over the world. Both Jeffrey and Ghislaine have deep ties to the CIA, MI6 and Mossad, leading me to believe this was a state-run enterprise.

Another party that is curiously implicated seems to be the Rothschild family, which Epstein literally calls himself a representative of in one of the leaked e-mails.

If you want to understand who pulls the strings in your country (and perhaps in mine also, unfortunately), this is where you start looking.

I think people are still digesting what was released last week. Also there are sources you can go to find out all this stuff. But I wouldn’t start going on about that here, I would probably be painting myself as a conspiracy theorist. I would agree with what you’re suggesting here and I can understand why Epstein (of someone else) put a rope around his neck.
The Rothschild connection sounds interesting, do you have a link?

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I agree to an extent. The Monroe doctrine doesn't extend across the pond though. Thankfully.

Yes. I had a nice and interesting exchange of ideas with you both, and I agree mostly with everything except that we are not militarily relevant globally nor do we have a strong say in Brussels.

I'm joking. I am pretty aware of the limitations of the peninsula I live in. :rofl:

Ireland hardly fares any better. Probably worse in that we're highly compromised and dependent on American tech.

It’s true; Europe has grown dependent on the US for many reasons, most of which is the American government’s fault. Good or bad, living generations of people in both continents have to deal with these conditions.

The prime minister is the president of the Socialist International and from the Spanish Socialist Workers Party. That’s what we call a “commie” over here. This entire thread is about calling Trump a fascist and Americans dumb Nazis-lovers. Hell, I was called a fascist a page or two back. Please allow me this one…

Fair enough. :up:

I think things could be friendlier if we were all a little less reactive. Part of the problem I see is that it is highly profitable in the economic sphere for us to be so (see, click, see, click). This tends to pollute everything, especially online conversation.

Ain’t that the truth.

The prime minister is the president of the Socialist International and from the Spanish Socialist Workers Party. That’s what we call a “commie” over here. — NOS4A2

I understand your view. Yet, PSOE (Spanish Socialist Workers Party) gave up on Communism and Marxism after winning the 1982 elections because they wanted to make Spain a member of both the EU and NATO. It is hard to explain because it is true that they still use "socialist" in their acronym, but they always repeat that they are a social-democratic political party inspired by the left-wing parties of Sweden and the Labour Party of the UK. I do not think these are real commies in the pure sense of the word. Furthermore, there are more leftist political parties in the Congress which accuse PSOE of being neoliberal. Imagine those! These are real commies: United Left.

I have never called you a fascist. Believe it or not, I agree with you on many of your points – mainly when you claim that European countries have grown very dependent on the USA. This is true.

It is just that I didn't get why the news of documenting 500,000 people here went around the world. I think some folks exaggerated on his reactions towards this.

Over here many use the term “commie” in the pejorative sense to describe basically anything left-of-center. My use of the terms wasn’t necessarily a description of his values, only that he is going to try to subvert the prevailing global orthodoxy with some far-left theatrics.

For instance his latest move is one of them. I’m not aware of the laws over there, but over here there are tedious and lengthy processes to becoming a citizen, and this is true of many nation states. It can take years to become a citizen. Documenting the undocumented on such a large scale is to make a mockery of that effort, and the many who go through that effort (myself included). Many have been jailed or deported based for far less.

The process is tedious and slow here too. I think there is a misinterpretation of the concepts. Sanchez is conceding the citizenship to 500,000 immigrants, yes. But this is not equal to becoming Spanish. It is just that these persons are now documented to be hired legally in the labour market. Without these papers, they are hard to hire, and if they are, many businessmen exploit them because they are not in a current legal status. My view about this is that Sánchez wanted to make a movement against the employers. After this, those people now have the right to be hired in better conditions.

But it is important to clarify that they do not have the right to vote in the Spanish elections, nor do they start receiving grants. This is a lie.

It is just that these persons are now documented to be hired legally in the labour marke — javi2541997

Its not just that though is it? There are concerns about an immediate influx of 500,000 legitimate names on voter rolls (Municipal - the ones that matter), health care registers, tax obligations (welfare, I guess) and in a social-democratic milieu that could be disastrous. They only need a year to meet what I understand to be the thresholds for these entitlements. There's also the potential for cultural clash, but I don't put as much into that as much who have reacted to it globally.

Agreed. The Bannonite effort was aspirational rather than effective. We can freak when Danish Prime Minister Mette Frederiksen gets a helicopter ride to a waiting carrier.

There's also the potential for cultural clash, but I don't put as much into that as much who have reacted to it globally. — AmadeusD

It's hard to see a cultural clash in this context. Most of them are from South America; they share the same language, religion, ethos, etc. They are like siblings or cousins to us.

health care registers — AmadeusD

Our health care system is already very screwed. It is not their fault.

names on voter rolls (Municipal - the ones that matter) — AmadeusD

They can only enter the voter rolls if they get the nationality and there is a reciprocal agreement–this decree is only documenting them legally. The government is not giving them the Spanish nationality, and if this were the case, not everyone would have the right to vote in municipal elections, because not all countries of these immigrants have a reciprocity agreement with us.

Article 176 of Spanish Constitution:

Without prejudice to the provisions of Title I, Chapter I of this Law, the right to vote in municipal elections is enjoyed by foreign residents in Spain whose respective countries allow Spaniards to vote in these elections under the terms of a treaty.

The treaty is regulated in our LEY ORGÁNICA 5/1985 de 19 de junio, del Régimen Electoral General and it says:

The citizens of Norway, Ecuador, New Zealand, Colombia, Chile, Peru, Paraguay, Iceland, Bolivia, Cape Verde, the Republic of Korea, the United Kingdom and Trinidad and Tobago who are over 18 on the day of voting and who are not deprived of the right to vote, may vote in municipal elections in Spain.

For this purpose, they must be in possession of the corresponding residence permit in Spain.

Must have been legally resident in Spain for the time required by the relevant agreement (five years at the time of application for registration on the electoral roll and, in the case of Norwegian nationals, three years on the day of voting; no temporary requirement is required in the case of New Zealand).

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Ireland hardly fares any better. Probably worse in that we're highly compromised and dependent on American tech. — Baden

Isn’t all really a larger interconnected web of trade and ownership over companies established in many nations around the globe? While some nations have become more influential and important for others within global trade, even those larger nations depend on a lot of others to make that dependence work. A domino chain of dependence. Looking at the whole global economy in a reductionist way, it’s more of a complex web.

But now the US put heavy tariffs on most, which we haven’t even seen the full effects of yet as the consequences have just begun within the national economy in the US.

And since the behavior of the US have tainted their reputation and future prospects in international relations, and Europe is quickly looking at local solutions for replacing much of that current dependence; we might see a situation where the US, in the future, will look to amend the relations on more mutual level of trade.

And if it goes sideways, well, the US doesn’t have nearly as good of a national economy as people think, and if the AI bubble pops, that could burn the economy over there. If Europe have figured out a way to cover much of the dependence by that time, we would survive much better from such a crash.

The EU, right now, is globetrotting and speeding up trade relation deals that’s been in slow talks for decades. I think that’s setting up possibilities for bypassing the US and getting much of the base components and supplies from the sources themselves rather than through US products and tech.

The big question, I think, is what the US economy is without tech trade. If the others’ tech dependence is reduced, and most of the US economy, that is resting on tech companies and the AI hype bubble, goes down, what does the US have then?

I don't know about you guys, but the more I read the more I realize the US is f*cked.

Now he wants to take over elections? What could go wrong?

I had no inkling of those reciprocal voting treaties!

I want it here.

They are like siblings or cousins to us. — javi2541997

That's fair. I don't think this is going to be quite the joyride you do, but fair.

Our health care system is already very screwed. It is not their fault. — javi2541997

LOL no, that's not the concern though. Making worse is surely not ideal.

They can only enter the voter rolls if they get the nationality and there is a reciprocal agreement — javi2541997

This appears to go for State and Regional elections, not Municipal elections (given my next sentence). I noted that after a year, they will meet the required residency time. I mean, I could still be wrong but clarifying what I understood.

may vote in municipal elections in Spain — javi2541997

Colombia is one of the most common countries of origin for this group? Seems to me they will be able to vote. Thanks very much for the elucidation.

Then stop reading. It's unlikely to be representing reality.

It's in Spanish, but here they are:

https://www.boe.es/boe/dias/2022/11/05/pdfs/BOE-A-2022-18150.pdf

https://www.boe.es/boe/dias/2010/08/27/pdfs/BOE-A-2010-13463.pdf

The reciprocal voting treaty with Argentina (for example, among others):

https://www.congreso.es/public_oficiales/L9/CORT/BOCG/A/CG_A140.PDF

Uruguay:

https://www.congreso.es/public_oficiales/L9/CORT/BOCG/A/CG_A281.PDF

Paraguay:

https://www.boe.es/boe/dias/2010/06/21/pdfs/BOE-A-2010-9770.pdf

United Kingdom (English):

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/5c8b809440f0b640d24a45a5/CS_Spain_2.2019_Elections.pdf

They will be able to vote in the next municipal elections, not in the coming ones, because they also need the minimum legal residence in their local city. Apart from what I explained, this is another benefit from Sanchez's decree. Since they are now in a legal status and documented, the time starts to count to take part in the next municipal elections.

By the way, I can't see the problem because. A) As a Spaniard myself, I would also be able to vote in the municipal elections of those countries (Paraguay, Bolivia, Argentina...), so I would be hypocritical to criticise this; B) not all the immigrants are part of the reciprocal voting agreement – for example, there are also many persons from Angola and Senegal, but we do not have these kinds of treaties with their governments.

I don't know about you guys, but the more I read the more I realize the US is f*cked.

Yep, they’re propped up on an AI bubble right now with the administration enabling corruption on a grand scale. What could possibly go wrong?

what does the US have then?

Guns.

The exchange between CNN correspondent Kaitlan Collins and Trump (video at the link) illustrates a couple of things about Trump – that he thinks the Epstein files only concern him - and that he’s a misogynist who feels a woman’s place is to just smile and not question him – and he even plays the “shame” card.

What a twisted mind he has

Collins noted that “a lot of women who are survivors of Epstein are unhappy with” the way the justice department redacted the documents, including, “entire witness interviews are totally blacked out”

Trump attempted to end the discussion: “I think it’s really time for the country to get on to something else … nothing came out about me … (there was) “a conspiracy against me”

Collins asked: “But what would you say to people who feel they haven’t gotten justice, Mr President?”

Trump then launched into a personal attack on Collins

“You know, you are the worst reporter,” Trump said. “You know, she’s a young woman,” Trump said to the Republican lawmakers arrayed around his desk. “I don’t think I’ve ever seen you smile,” he said, turning back to Collins.

“I’ve known you for ten years. I don’t think I’ve ever seen a smile on your face,” Trump said bitterly.

“Well,” Collins interjected, “I’m asking you about survivors of Jeffrey Epstein’s abuse, Mr President.”

Ignoring her reply, Trump continued, “You know why you’re not smiling? Because you know you’re not telling the truth. And you’re a very dishonest organization, and they should be ashamed of you.”

“These are survivors of a sexual abuser” Collins replied.

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DUUKJxejbFq/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link&igsh=NTc4MTIwNjQ2YQ==

What a twisted mind he has

It’s shameful.
When he claimed the files don’t incriminate him, he squirms and then claims that Epstein conducted a conspiracy to frame him. He looks worried.

He looks worried. — Punshhh

He's not going to be able to outrun the questions forever

Both Jeffrey and Ghislaine have deep ties to the CIA, MI6 and Mossad, leading me to believe this was a state-run enterprise. — Tzeentch

Which "state" would that be? The proposal of "state-run" requires that there is a specific "state" which runs it. The mention of association with a number of different states, is sort of contradictory to "state-run". And this is before even considering the possibility of Russian financing. To determine who "ran" the operation would require an understanding of who provided the funds.

Having ties to many states implies an entity acting outside the bounds of any state. Therefore it appears, at this time, like it was an operation run for personal gain, rather than for any state. That's why Trump appears to click right in to that clique. However, if it turns out that the financing was Russian, and it was "state-run", by Russia, that opens another can of worms.

The state in question would obviously be the United States of America, helped by its cronies: Israel and the UK.

How is that not obvious?

Russia, ... really? :lol:

Calling things “state-run” is giving too much credit to the organizational level of how any of this operated and fundamentally… why?

It seems more that all of this is because of the corrupted power that wealth grants people. It’s not just the money, it’s that money gets you through the door of so many places of power, and in those places are people who are both in the financial, commercial and state sector, because that’s simply where the power is.

There’s no grand scheme or goal with any of these people. Their perverted desires are common throughout all classes of society, but when you have wealth you have the power to hide it in such a way you can organize an entire movement of it. And with bribes and lobbying, you get whatever the fuck you want.

Further, if you keep dirt on people, that grants even more power.

I think the movie “Mountainhead” really shows this. It was criticized for ridiculing billionaires in ways that were over the top, but from those who actually have insight into the private behavior of the super rich and powerful, it was spot on.

If people ever seen a poor family suddenly being struck with wealth through lottery, and witnessing how they sometimes end up in tragedy as they cannot handle what that kind of money does to people, this is similar, but to people with much more control over their situation and better understanding of how to use that money. And many of them just lets lose in ways that are so immoral they could very well be aliens.

They are simply delusional, perverted people who’s headspeace is so fucked by their power that there’s nothing they wouldn’t try and do because they have so much power through the ties to other rich people and state officials backing them up.

It creates a web of perversion, with people who don’t see the population as people, but something alienated from themselves, “things”, so to speak. And so they treat people as things.

But there’s no goal here, there’s no real agenda.

It’s just corrupted infantile minds playing games with the world, personal perverted ideas being manifested because there’s no consequences at that level of society.

This is basically what led up to the French Revolution. If things don’t turn around and things change for the better, people will get fed up of being treated as things, and we will see some literal heads roll down the streets again, ridding society of these parasites who rape and plunder both literally and spiritually.

It’s not about state power, it’s about a global oligarchic aristocracy who don’t give a fuck about states, nations or anything but their own pleasure as they ride on the backs of the worlds population with a big “Yee-Haw!”