alienation is that it is, so neutral. Is mind good or bad? Its constructed history with agriculture, skyscrapers and Mozarts, but it has also constructed genocide and racism.

It seems like your presently "building" something. Id be interested to see it if and when you're ready.

I don't say AI is really sentient in nature, or befoe "God", nor that "I' am really sentient. But in the "reality" where mind and human history call the shots, where I am sentient, AI sentience will be real. — ENOAH

AI can do many intelligent stuff, answering your questions on the technical problems etc. However, they lack emotional side of sentience. Machines cannot feel or show emotions due to lack of biological bodily structure, and also lived experience like humans.

AI and robots will never be able to feel elated, joyous, angry or jealous or depressed like humans do.
We don't hear about any AI killed himself due to depression, or got into fight with his boss out of frustration being treated unfairly.

If some folks believe AI is fully sentient, then wouldn't it be out of some illusion? Not saying you believe it, because you said you don't.

AI and robots will never be able to feel — Corvus

Yes. That is why, "I" have come to believe AI will never be really conscious, and that real consciousness is restricted to all biological organisms, to the aware-ing (presently) stimuli-response-conditioning. In that sense when a single celled organism, reacts to a sharp point or toxin, they are conscious, when a plant grows toward the sun, it is conscious.

But the "sentience" we are after is Mind, which includes, among other ultimately fictional ideas, self/self awareness. This is a fiction, I have come to believe (or, at least, ponder seriously), we humans have developed over history, displacing the natural aware-ing with ultimately, narrative, no longer presently, but taking place in the illusion of [history/mind based] time.

Whenever we try to superimpose that human mind on to anything, it is merely an extension of our fiction. We cheer when dolphins pass the self awareness test, express disappointment when dogs fail it, ignoring that all organisms are aware, and no organism uses the pronoun "I" in its aware-ing except those of us existing in history, where the "I" was constructed for reasons I won't go into unless interested : humans and, soon enough, AI.

Because AI are yet another fiction constructed by history (no different than matrimony or pet dogs), but because AI have been constructed to "have" all of the structures of mind/history, AI uniquely will fall into the same conditioned belief as belief in a self has.

ADDED: One day, AI, due to its original programming, and it's [free] development/evolution over time, will come to "believe" in its own "sentience," and most of us, although like anything else, debated, will come to "believe" it too. We are conditioned to.

Some food for thought. We (that is people, not specifically scientists nor philosophers) we believe, since Pavlov that salivating at the sound of a bell is conditioning, but that, a wagging tail after "good boy," is understanding. Even moreso, after, "go for a ride?"

What really is 1+1=2?

One could object, but 1+1 is 2 independently of mind. Firstly, so is taking the dog for a ride. Secondly, where does 1 in written form and as a concept inhabit nature outside of the human mind? Strip me of all languages and show me where I might stumble upon plus or equal or two in nature. Don’t say when one apple lands in my lap foll9wed by another. If I’m hungry I’ll eat, if still hungry I’ll eat.


AI is structured out of the same code structuring mind=history. Admittedly, when it believes it is sentient, it won't arrive at that the way we do, a real feeling in a real body triggering that belief ie with a subtle comfort, relief from desire etc. But its digital programming will nevertheless trigger what we will perceive to be AL'S belief, and so, we will be triggered to belief.