Because both Biden and Obama did not go with it as Trump has done. — ssu

Hey bud - can you say what you mean here? I'm genuinely, semantically not understanding - Obama at least with highly motivated and animated about mass deportation, which was carried out, and in pretty shitty conditions. I don't want to wade into that, just giving context for why i just want to know what this specific thing is pointing out

I guess kicking off the tail lights warrants being executed by two agents firing multiple shots… — Christoffer

The man was murdered unjustly by ICE — NOS4A2

You can do much, much better than this, even being caught in a semi-delusional state. NOS4a2 says enough stupid, morally corrupt shit. to not do this...

Pretti assaulted federal agents? — praxis

Yes. It just doesn't matter. He was murdered, plain and simple (it was also like, 11 days earlier as I understand so likely totally irrelevant unless it was the same agent, and in that case, runs against the Agent).

Pretti assaulted federal agents?
— praxis

Yes. — AmadeusD

When did he assault them?

but like all saints of the Anti-Trump Movement, — NOS4A2

God, you missed the point. I think "willful ignorance" best captures it

an organized and mentally ill cult of goons — NOS4A2

You can't be taken seriously when you post this kind of unfounded slander

Mob protest is as old as the Republic. USA wouldn't exist as a country without it.

See the Sons of Liberty

What one needs to delineate is this: Who is on the side of respecting human rights?

Spitting on someone, or pushing them is assault or battery depending on circumstance. Again, this doesn't alter the ultimate outcome. It's just a matter of admitting that these people aren't saints, to be held as martyrs. That's true.
But it doens't take anything whatever away from the callous, horrific nature of his death

Spitting on someone, or pushing them is assault or battery depending on circumstance. — AmadeusD

Pretti spit on a car. I haven't seen any evidence of him pushing anyone.

ADmittedly, I already have my conclusion on his killing, so haven't bothered to look too far into it -you might be right, but both appeared to me present across both videos. Nothing turns on it, though. It would be good to focus on that.

I see, the Newman effect strikes again! :lol:

Hey bud - can you say what you mean here? — AmadeusD

Earlier Presidents didn't have badly trained agents actively roaming the streets for possible illegal immigrants and stopping people who look to be foreigners.

And when the police fucked up, they didn't go with such blatant lies of the killed people being domestic terrorists.

It's totally different when you come into the airport from an international connection or come to the border crossing and have to represent your passport (visa in some times) and have to tell just what you are doing in the country to you walking on the street or driving home and your stopped by the border guard.

These simple differences, like abiding with laws, having the law enforcement working together. Or things like not locking up 8 year olds for six weeks and then let them back to their family.

Vance, Noem, Miller, Bovino, maybe others, lied straight to everyone's faces without hesitation.
Heck, some threw around terrorist accusations.
For someone in those positions in particular, that's not good enough, and a slap on the wrist won't do.

Maybe they took Trump's example?

People have got to know whether or not their president is a crook. Well, I’m not a crook. — Nixon 1973 (somehow came to mind)

Renée Good (1988–2026)
Alex Pretti (1988–2026)

EDIT

Conservatives Say Renée Good Was Brainwashed By Bible Into Loving Thy Neighbor
^{— The Onion · Jan 15, 2026}

Since the Ukraine war started, Russia has engaged in "systematic dismantling of independent civil society, harsh suppression of anti-war dissent, and the persecution of minority groups."

In the US, we're about to explode because 2 people were murdered by ICE. That's actually a good sign about the health of rule of law.

Earlier Presidents didn't have badly trained agents actively roaming the streets for possible illegal immigrants and stopping people who look to be foreigners. — ssu

They didn't need to (the badly trained part is arguable - they fucked up constantly under Obama particularly in terms of care-giving in custody).

to you walking on the street or driving home and your stopped by the border guard. — ssu

I do not see this the way you do. I would have absolutely no problem doing this in the midst of a crack down on illegal immigration. But yeah, I understand what you're saying now. Thank you.

I see, the Newman effect strikes again! :lol: — praxis

Err, no. What hte fuck dude... this has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with it.

Either I or you (and likely me) misinterpreted video evidence of an event. Good god.

Feel free to point it out wherever I do. — Tzeentch

Like coming on a thread after someone was just murdered by the state and placing the emphasis on the protesters’ behavior.

Don't get sucked in. Dude cannot form a worth while response to anything. Just ad hominem. AS he's probably do when he sees this, proving my point. Feeding trolls is bad business.

Speaking of trolls. Weren’t you gonna “dip out”? Anyway— please go on about substantive contributions— like claiming millions of illegals voted for democrats, that Pretti assaulted officials, that Obama was just as bad as Trump, etc. You’re truly cringey. One might even say risible.

See. Impulse control of a toddler.

The FBI just raided the Fulton County storage of election results for the 2020 election in Georgia. Nothing much is known yet about the "probable cause" behind the criminal search warrant. One of the problems out of the gate is chain of custody:

Fulton County officials expressed concern over the seizure of the ballots.

"These are the original voting records, original absentee ballots," Fulton County Commissioner Marvin Arrington, a Democrat, told ABC News regarding the materials seized by the FBI. "Once that stuff leaves our custody, where is the chain of custody? How can we know if we're going to get everything back? How can we know if they might do something mischievous?" — ABC news

Not a propitious beginning for any future litigation.

Risible.

see, the Newman effect strikes again! — praxis

More like the posturing ignoramus effect. Knows nothing about the subject, but compulsively has to comment on it anyway— while pretending to be an expert. Truly embarrassing.

Imagine spending all this time (and resources) searching for something so obviously conjured up by a fraud? How stupid does one have to be to believe the election was “stolen”?

, it gives an impression of Trump trying to tie up "loose ends".
In the current environment, independent observers need to be present...

The claim is essential to his brand. He got people to talk about it again.


It is like the Durham investigation in that respect. But the idea of independent investigation is difficult in a land where special counsels are not permitted unless agreed to by the aggrieved party.

Let's say the cops came and cleared out a storage locker I rented by the month.
But they made no effort to account for what was removed while it was happening.
While that process is by no means a guarantee of perfect diligence, consider how less perfect it would be if the discovery started in a different storage locker altogether.

The FBI just raided the Fulton County storage of election results for the 2020 election in Georgia.

looks like their looking for ways to back up Trump’s claims that it was via postal votes that the 2020 election was rigged.
It follows the pattern in the U.K. of the far right claiming voter fraud via postal votes. Something which is patently false.

More classic fascism from Trump –

Below is a link to a video Trump posted on his social media a couple of days ago. After a minute or so of propaganda, the main message is spoken – (which seems to be that Trump doesn’t make mistakes, and how dare you question him) –

Word for word from the video -

“This is what you voted for, so why are you questioning every decision he makes? God didn’t save his life so he could make mistakes. He knows what he is doing. Maybe it’s time to shut the fuck up and let him cook.”

https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/posts/115976094211574919

In the US, we're about to explode because 2 people were murdered by ICE. That's actually a good sign about the health of rule of law. — frank

The positive sign here is that Minneapolis isn't literally exploding. The injustices aren't an excuse for burning up stuff and for looting. That is really positive. Also, earlier a think tank/study group made a study just how civil war would break up in the US and the scenario was just as what has happened in Minneapolis. The city was just wrong. In that scenario two government agencies, on controlled by the executive and one controlled by the state start shooting at each other. I think that this "Fort Sumter"-moment has passed for now. Even if ICE is still roaming the streets in the city, some kind of dialoge, even if weak, is done. Above all, the White House has backed down and now the Trump people are blaming each other. Stephen Miller, the father behind the immigration strategy, is now backpedaling and saying he got wrongful information and Noem is telling that she was only following orders.

That should immediately tell every ICE agent just on how thin ice the whole organization is on now, when looking at the future. It's quite likely that there's going to be quite a reform and organizational restructuring as now ICE has turned into Trump's own Sturm Abteilung.

God didn’t save his life so he could make mistakes. He knows what he is doing. — Questioner

“I cannot be mistaken - what I say and do is historical.”

~ Hitler

“Il Duce ha sempre ragione.” (The leader is always right).

~ Mussolini

I think that this "Fort Sumter"- — ssu

A Fort Sumter moment would require that half the states had already seceded. :cool:

Well, basically the reference was "to the first shots". But you are correct.

“This is what you voted for, so why are you questioning every decision he makes? God didn’t save his life so he could make mistakes. He knows what he is doing. Maybe it’s time to shut the fuck up and let him cook.” — Questioner

This is why people call it christo-nationalist death cult. Basically, there’s no difference between Islamic fundamentalists in Middle East and Christian fundamentalism in the US. It’s the same form of religious fundamentalism in which people are ready to kill for it.

If people actually dig a little deeper into the Christian culture of the US, you see the same form of “paradise” worshipping death cults that we often attribute to Islamic fundamentalists. Who fall to their knees in front of a self-made cult leader who’s just in it for their own power and narcissism.

The US will never become a stable nation until the cultists are branded extremists. The MAGA movement and the Christi-fascists need to be branded as such and the state need to ditch the connection to Christianity and become a proper secular government.

I’ve never understood how we look at the Middle East with criticism of their religious states and laws while the US is basically the same but with Christianity as its religious base.

It’s basically an outdated relic of a time when the church had the power. Why are we still doing that shit in the world? It wasn’t even true of many of the old civilizations that came and went, many of them were more secular than we realize. Many of the gods of pantheons were just treated as gods of stuff around the people and so were spoken in language, but were less in control over their society. During the Middle Ages, most of the peasants used folk lore in the pantheonic fashion and the church weren’t as in control as people think.

The modern US has tied the Christian belief to the manifest destiny with Columbia as a national Christian icon. It’s an all-American Christian religion that has been used for US exceptionalism.

And now, when the American dream is dead, and most rural areas are dying, people hold onto that faith more and more as a cult because realizing the bullshit that the US has become is too much for the US spirit. “The American dream isn’t dead, we will still manifest desitiny, we’re the greatest country in the world, we are the leaders of the free world, we are the chosen ones”—It all comes crashing down.

As I mentioned before, Las Vegas is the best analogy of the US. Built in the worst place possible, ignoring the climate and the low ground water; when you drive into the city, all commercial posters speak of “getting loans and credits” while going out of town the backside of those same commercial signs show “get legal help”, “want financial advice?”. The strip is filled with simulacra of dead empires, plastic renditions, fake skies, impotent sizes of real statues somewhere else, “why go to Europe when you can see Venice in an ozon-filled air-conditioned bunker? You walk down the strip as the poor are either dying on the street or dressed up as the king’s entertainment—and if you walk past the buildings’ shiny exterior, you see the crumbling concrete backside and peering over the parking lot for the working staff, you see their residences for miles; broken houses slowly decaying.

This is the heart of the US. A shiny surface that tries to fool people through its plastic polish, hiding a deep rot underneath. A rot that’s ignored by the working staff on the promise that they will some day manifest their destiny. Wipe enough tables from cocaine and saturated fat and some day you will own the stage in one of those plastic not-to-scale versions of a Roman temple, for the eyes of richer people eating a smash burger made by your neighbor while being wipped by some celebrity chef.

Trump is just a messenger of the rot. The US needs to absolutely fail as a society before its population understands just how rotten everything is. The nation has the potential of actually being a “leader of the free world”, because they already have the economic ties to the world, they have the cultural influence, but for it to happen, they need to lead by example and not just put on a shiny dress.

Prove to the world that they are the peak of humanity’s knowledge, prove that they embrace the multiculture fact that is the sum of the entire earth, prove that dreams are actually possible and that people want to go there to live the dream and that this dream is actually real.

For that to happen, the christo-nationalist death cult fascists need to be fought, they need to be branded extremists and disappear. The state and constitution needs to be reworked into a new paradigm, breaking off from Christian fundamentalism and into actual representative democratic power, based on knowledge and competent leadership for the people and international relations. The neoliberal capitalist experiment needs to be thrown in the trash and economic policies need to be formed in favor of the people rather than the capitalists. Lobbyists need to be banned from Washington, transparency and better room for the people to speak in Washington. Education absolutely free and the same for all, health care free for all, oppurtunities open for all, social support for the poor and homeless to help them get back on their feet, help for the addicts to rid themselves of addiction, free mental care etc. etc. etc. for the nation to thrive, it needs the people to thrive first.

Trump is the manifestation of everything that’s wrong with the US and for the US to survive and become better, him and all similar to him needs to be removed from having any power whatsoever. That’s not an opinion, it’s the cold hard fact of what is going on. They need to be removed, as well as all the similar political figures on the left who do nothing but speak tropes without action.

The US needs to grow a backbone, and not in the manifest destiny, Christian fundamentalist Trump strong man bullshit-kind—but the educated, morally exemplary, humanist and “for all mankind” way. And it can’t be a shiny surface, it needs to be the core of ideals and foundation of every land, town, and city. Of every person from the toilet cleaner to the university professor, to company CEO.

For that to happen, the US needs to collapse and die, it needs to be picked apart by vultures, excremented by them into becoming the fertilizer for the good to finally grow.

The rot must go.