• Harry Hindu
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    There's nothing wrong with that, no cause to stop theorising or throw logic away, but we assume it, we cannot prove it with itself.Isaac
    So this is an example of a statement that isn't just the case here and now, but also the case indefinitely. What did you assume to assert this?
  • Janus
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    There cannot be sometimes absolute eternal facts. If it is sometimes absolute but not always, it is not eternally absolutely. If it is in some cases eternal, in others not, it is not absolutely eternal. If both hold and no other, it is an absolute eternal fact that there are no absolute eternal facts. Reductio ad absurdum there must be absolute eternal facts.Kenosha Kid

    If it is an absolute eternal fact that there are no absolute facts, then all that shows is that there is one and one only absolute fact not that "there must be absolute eternal facts".

    So the formulation should be "it is an absolute eternal fact that there are (other than this one absolute eternal fact) no absolute eternal facts. Of course this leaves aside the question as to whether we can speak coherently about absolute eternal facts at all, especially in the absence of human minds to conceive them.
  • khaled
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    I think if something is “absolutely true” it is not useful. For example “There cannot be a square circle” is absolutely true, but also completely obvious and useless information. The only things that can be true always are true by definition which makes them useless.
  • Merkwurdichliebe
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    I think if something is “absolutely true” it is not useful. For example “There cannot be a square circle” is absolutely true, but also completely obvious and useless information. The only things that can be true always are true by definition which makes them useless.khaled

    The only absolute truth is immediacy, which ironically enough, is impossible to show objectively (thereby rendering it positively factual).
    I would argue that truth-as-such is of critical importance to the particular subject of immediacy in question.

    And you are mistaken, absolute truth is not the same thing as absolute fact. That there "cannot be a square circle” is NOT absolute truth, it is an absolute fact of geometry - a mathematical truth.
  • khaled
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    absolute truth is not the same thing as absolute fact.Merkwurdichliebe

    What's the difference?
  • Isaac
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    So this is an example of a statement that isn't just the case here and now, but also the case indefinitely. What did you assume to assert this?Harry Hindu

    It.
  • Merkwurdichliebe
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    What's the difference?khaled

    Absolute fact is still a relative truth
  • Harry Hindu
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    So the formulation should be "it is an absolute eternal fact that there are (other than this one absolute eternal fact) no absolute eternal facts.Janus
    Still a useless contradiction.

    It amazes me to see all of the mental gymnastics being performed in order to deny the existence of truths or facts while at the same time asserting a truth or fact that there are no truths or facts.

    Its not assumed. It is innate. Words are inherently about things and this relationship with the things that they are about can only be either true or false. If your words aren't about things then you aren't saying anything at all. You're just making scribbles and noises.
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