• Banno
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    This disregards my OP.dussias

    It's a consequence of your OP:
    This is important and will help me survive.dussias

    Why "survive"?Banno

    Because it's binding, a decision that will help one live on; either physically or through a legacy.dussias

    And why is that what we ought do?Banno

    And why is that what we ought do?Banno

    Because we die and tend to want to live.dussias

    SO "The ultimate technique in persuasion and rethoric(sic) is..."

    ...do stuff that doesn't kill you.
    Banno
  • dussias
    52


    NO. Your logic is faulty.

    You say do stuff that doesn't kill you.
    I refer to stuff that will help you not die.

    It's different.
  • Benkei
    7.1k
    As any psychologist will tell you: listening, summarising and asking open-ended questions are the only way you're going to persuade anyone. If you don't listen to someone, they're not going to listen to you. Of course, internet fora don't support such a format.
  • ssu
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    The ultimate way to persuade someone is to first understand where they are coming from, in other words, knowing something about their state of mind and the knowledge they already possess. Then, one has to create a link between that knowledge base and the idea you want to implant. An idea sits best in a mind if that mind can see how it links to existing ideas. Good teachers and effective salespeople do this.Roy Davies

    This is basically how also leadership works. First you have to know what those being lead think of the issue to be done, their own motivation and their own objectives (which naturally means you have to listen and understand them). Teaching and/or leadership should be changed based on the motivation of the people.

    The real problem is that too often teaching or leadership training focuses on the best type scenario were those to be taught or those to be lead are already very motivated either to learn or do the task while the training rarely sidelines the worst case situation, where the individuals have absolutely no own incentive or will to do or to learn anything. And when there's no carrot in it for people, them not getting the stick is the only carrot you can give (and I hope nobody takes this too literally). Yet this simply isn't tolerated, as normally learning environments and leadership is viewed in a positive situation and the training should be positive, uplifting and motivational, basically the training is a statement itself.
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