• jorndoe
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    Maybe we'll start seeing more of this...?

    The Supreme Court rewarded religious coercion by a Christian football coach
    Hemant Mehta
    Jun 27, 2022


    Wouldn't be all that surprising. I guess Muslims, Hindus, Wicca, Jedi :grin:, etc, should all join the public school football prayer sessions. Or not. Based on Mehta's commentary, I'd vote no confidence in SCOTUS, but haven't checked and verified all the details.

    5 And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.

    6 But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.
    Matthew 6:5-6
  • Jackson
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    5 And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets,Matthew 6:5-6

    Yes. Makes the entire Christian religion be judged by its founder.
  • jorndoe
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    Americans Still Oppose Overturning Roe v. Wade
    Lydia Saad · Gallup · Jun 9, 2021

    Granted, numbers vary regionally.

    Confidence in U.S. Supreme Court Sinks to Historic Low
    Jeffrey M Jones · Gallup · Jun 23, 2022

    Not really looking good.

    As mentioned by , the decision wasn't based on human rights treaties, natural rights theories (+ bodily integrity), bioethics, and nor on general public opinion.
  • Tate
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    As mentioned by ↪Benkei, the decision wasn't based on human rights treaties, natural rights theories (+ bodily integrity), bioethics, and nor on general public opinion.jorndoe

    It wasn't supposed to be. They're charged with ruling based on the constitution.
  • Paulm12
    117

    I think with a more conservative court, both Dobbs v Jackson and Kennedy v Bremerton (which you brought up) tell a similar story of reducing the federal government's power to intervene or bend the constitution as much.

    As you mentioned, most Americans support the legality of abortions (though it does vary by state). So what would be the political reason of overturning Roe v Wade? It could be that they want the left to have to propose a constitutional amendment that they assume will hurt their voting party. Or it could be that, as Tate mentioned, they thought the ruling of Roe v Wade was unconstitutional, and, regardless if people agree with the ends of overturning it, it does not justify using the constitution that way (in the court's eyes of course).
  • Streetlight
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    So what would be the political reason of overturning Roe v Wade? It could be that they want the left to have to propose a constitutional amendment that they assume will hurt their voting party. Or it could be that, as Tate mentioned, they thought the ruling of Roe v Wade was unconstitutional, and, regardless if people agree with the ends of overturning it, it does not justify using the constitution that way (in the court's eyes of course).Paulm12

    This is alot of 4D chess. They overturned it because they are a bunch of Christofascists who hate women. It's not complicated.

    On the bright side, Dow nunder, we aren't going to church like we once did.Banno

    This was a nice bright spot. But considering that majorities did not do anything to stop a bunch of religious fanatics in the US, we should learn that what counts is not demographics but power and process at the end of the day.
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  • Maw
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    The problem with that is that it's relatively easy to overturn a law. Even if the Democrats are able to pass a federal law to protect these rights, when the Republicans are next the majority they'll just repeal it. Such rights need to be constitutional rights.Michael

    Unfortunately passing a constitutional amendment is not a realistic, and even if Democrats are able to pass a federal law to codify these rights it's assured that this Supreme Court will rule them as unconstitutional.
  • Merkwurdichliebe
    2.2k
    to be fair. Football is a decidedly Catholic sport, with the hail mary's, music city miracle and immaculate reception. To remove prayer from football would be like taking baseball out of sex, it would alter its fundamental structure.
  • Agent Smith
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    The asymmetry that needs to be exposed:

    Roe vs. Wade permitted abortion, but it didn't make it mandatory i.e. pro-life women could bear children and not avail of abortion services.

    Now, post the overturning of Roe vs. Wade, abortion is prohibited by law i.e. pro-choice women are forbidden from terminating their pregnancies.

    In the former case, pro-choice women weren't under any obligation to end their pregnancies, but in the latter case, pro-life women are legally required to carry their pregnancies to full term.

    The state doesn't interfere with religion, but the converse is false.
  • Olivier5
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    Women Declare Themselves Corporations to Force Supreme Court to Grant Them Rights as People
    Andy Borowitz, June 27, 2022

    WASHINGTON (The Borowitz Report)—Millions of American women and girls have declared themselves corporations in order to force the United States Supreme Court to grant them rights as people, legal observers have reported.

    Attorneys across the nation indicated that they have been swamped by requests from clients seeking to incorporate as soon as possible.

    “The Supreme Court decided in 2010 that corporations are people, so all we want is to be treated like corporations, ” Carol Foyler, who now goes by the corporate name FoylerCo L.L.C., said.

    The decision by millions of women to incorporate sent shock waves through the Court’s conservative majority, who reportedly scoured the Constitution in vain for a means to circumvent the ingenious tactic.

    Even the normally taciturn Clarence Thomas was moved to issue a rare public statement. “It’s a sad day in America when the nation’s highest court is forced to treat women like people,” he wrote.
  • Streetlight
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    Even Republicans are surprised at how utterly ineffective the Democratic party are:

    What I found striking in my conversations over the weekend, however, wasn’t what Democrats told me, but what Republicans did. They were all careful not to gloat, and to frame this not as an issue of women’s bodily autonomy but as one of restoring a measure of democracy to the people living in conservative, anti-abortion states. They were also shocked at how little the Democrats were doing to fight them when such a clear path of retaliation lay open to them while they controlled the House and Senate. “If I were the libs, I would be putting forward a flurry of legislation like making birth control free and widely available,” the G.O.P. aide told me. “If you say it’s not widely enough available, go after that, cover the gaps. Don’t go for the really big stuff, just split the G.O.P. conference as much as you can, force people to vote. If the goal is really protecting women or advancing legislation that could actually pass, then take every potential approach you can.”

    In other words, Republicans are saying that Democrats should be forcing them onto the record with votes that chip away at their stated, pro-life position. If you’re so worried about infant life, in other words, let’s have a vote on free diapers and free childcare. If you say it’s not a gun issue but a mental health issue, let’s vote on funding the shit out of mental health.

    https://archive.ph/vAb9r#selection-711.0-719.350

    Of course, they are not ineffective. They simply don't care about abortion rights, and never have. It's a feature of the democratic party, not a bug. It's a feature of American values. Not a bug.
  • Streetlight
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    And from WaPo of all places:

    The overturning of Roe v. Wade, and the underwhelming reaction from senior Democratic leaders to that huge defeat, make the case even clearer that the party’s too-long-in-power leaders — including President Biden — need to move aside. On their watch, a radicalized Republican Party has gained so much power that it’s on the verge of ending American democracy as we know it. ...

    The past year and a half of Democratic control of Washington has been a major disappointment: Biden is more unpopular than Donald Trump was at this time in his presidency; the party’s agenda has stalled; Republican judges and state-level officials have aggressively attacked voting and abortion rights and Black and transgender people in particular with little pushback from Democrats. Biden’s kind words for Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.), architect of so much of what is happening, are both infuriating to Democrats and ineffective in winning any Republicans to his side.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/06/29/roe-v-wade-democratic-establishment-failures/

    Of course for anyone with half a brain, none of this is 'underwhelming' nor a 'disappointment'. The democrats have one function: to stifle the left. They have no other raison d'etre. What is continually pitched as 'failure' is nothing but Democratic success. It's only 'failure' if one expects the Democrats to exist for any other reason at all than to do what Republicans can't do: which is actually contain left revolutionary energy.

    The final and overt coming of American fascism will not be ushered in under Trump. It will happen under Biden. That will be his everlasting legacy, the thing he will be remembered for forever.
  • baker
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    They overturned it because they are a bunch of Christofascists who hate women.Streetlight

    But Christian women go along with it.

    There was a feature on the news where a Republican politician said the overturning of Roe vs. Wade was a big victory for life (or words to that effect). He and the other men there were smiling, while the one woman who was also there, did not.

    A good Christian woman must make herself sexually available to her boyfriend or husband at all times, whenever he wants. She must only get pregnant when he wants to have children, otherwise, she must "take care" of the unwanted pregnancy. Such are the unspoken rules of engagement in Christian culture.

    Christian women have so far relied on the secular society for contraceptives and abortions, so as to be able to live the Christian lifestyle (or at least, keep up the appearance of it). But what are they going to do now?
  • Streetlight
    9.1k
    But Christian women go along with it.baker

    Christian women hate women. This all follows.

    I mean have you ever met people with more self-contempt than Christians in general? They literally made a religion out of it. Self-contempt is Christianity's other name.
  • baker
    4.9k
    I mean have you ever met people with more self-contempt than Christians in general? They literally made a religion out of it.Streetlight

    Does this look like self-contempt to you?
    It doesn't to me.

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  • Streetlight
    9.1k
    Well yes the only thing Christians despise more than themselves are people who do not despise themselves.
  • jorndoe
    2.1k
    Statement on Roe v. Wade Decision

    The Supreme Court has overturned Roe. V. Wade, ending the 50–year Constitutional protection for abortion. This reversal opens the door for what will likely be over half of the states in the U.S. restricting and even outright banning abortion and bodily autonomy — human rights and essential healthcare services.

    Nearly 1 in 4 women (24%) in the U.S. have an abortion by the age of 45. Taking away safe and accessible facilities and care will be catastrophic — particularly for rural, poor, Black, Indigenous, and LGBTQIA+ people. This decision does not end abortion. It will end safe abortion for many across the country, restricting access to critical reproductive health services at a time when the United States has one of the highest maternal mortality rates of high-income countries.

    This decision sets a dangerous legal precedent for states that plan to restrict and take away women’s essential right to making important decisions that affect the health and well-being of themselves and their families.

    This decision also paves the road for further limiting the rights and autonomy of all Americans, and it damages the United States’ global standing on human rights – weakening its ability to advance sexual and reproductive health and rights and legitimizing other governments’ actions to restrict rights and access to care.

    We stand with experts, scholars, and activists in our commitment to safe abortion, accessible healthcare, and bodily autonomy.
    ICRW

    (EDIT wrong comment)
  • Streetlight
    9.1k
    No one in the Democratic party cares about abortions:

    President Biden is poised to nominate a conservative Republican anti-abortion lawyer for a lifetime appointment as a federal judge in Kentucky, a nomination strongly opposed by fellow Democrat and U.S. Rep. John Yarmuth, D-Louisville.The nomination of Chad Meredith appears to be the result of a deal with U.S. Sen. Mitch McConnell, ostensibly in exchange for the Senate Minority Leader agreeing not to hold up future federal nominations by the Biden White House, according to Yarmuth and other officials who confirmed the pending nomination to The Courier Journal.

    https://archive.ph/Unhjq

    This is what Democratic party victory looks like.

    Can anyone imagine a bigger waste of money than American campaign spending? Billions of dollars for identical results.
  • Streetlight
    9.1k
    Except - and this can't be hammered home enough - none of this is democratic failure, and all of it is democratic party success. This is the point of them. These are democratic party acheivements, not the lack of them.
  • TiredThinker
    570

    Biden has often had to choose between being compassionate and being Catholic.

    And ironically people stopped going to church for football.
  • 180 Proof
    9.8k
    Wrong. It's the failure of the American electorate – especially the half who do not vote and three-quarters who refuse to inform themselves (which is, of course, the manifest success of public education in this country).
  • Streetlight
    9.1k
    Nah, blaming electorates is what reactionaries do. I have no time for it. Basic misunderstanding of how the world works. Making excuses for people with and in power.

    Biden has often had to choose between being compassionate and being Catholic.TiredThinker

    Nope. Biden wants this and has always wanted this. He's not conflicted. He's happy. No more excuses.
  • 180 Proof
    9.8k
    You have no fucking idea how American politics works. Btw, Dems will retain control of Congress this fall and the White House in 2024. You were dead wrong in 2020, comrade, don't bet against me again unless making a fool yourself is all you're up to. :smirk:
  • Streetlight
    9.1k
    loooool. Ok. Keep excusing your masters. Let's see how this is going to work out for you. Really well so far hey?

    And American politics is excruciatingly simple: fuck people over, and then get masochist clowns to blame the people for their being fucked over by elites. Repeat as necessary, so long as the elites are always defended.
  • 180 Proof
    9.8k
    Heckle impotently from the cheap seats all you want. :yawn:
  • Streetlight
    9.1k
    Yeah I didn't think you had anything of substance to say either. Glad we agree.
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