Maybe I have a high IQ. I think I am very smart so you probably think the study in question is proof enough I don't have a high IQ. Maybe the study only shows that people who don't think they are smart score high on the IQ test. I am willing to bet though that most people who score high on it think they are smart and I am more than certain that they people who invented the test thought they were smart. So you have a Godelian problem even here as well

See the WIki article. — Banno

Oh I'm not so interested in the actual Napoleon Hill, as I am in the epistemic standard being employed (though I would like to imagine Napoleon Hill playing a nice game of chess against DrDrunkenstein).

Were they scientific, though? You know, as opposed to those unscientific Dunning-Kruger studies? — InPitzotl

There is no such thing as a "scientific" psychological study. There are way too many factors for that. The establishment says all the time "that's just anecdotal" about an herb or something. Of course what people tell people in white coats in a laboratory is also anecdotal. There is way too much dogmatism over this stuff. All you can do is accept your observations and run with them. It's you guys who are making this stuff into dogma

There is no such thing as a "scientific" psychological study. — Gregory

If scientific is the standard and this is the rationale, I would think you should be skeptical of both Napoleon Hill's and Dunning-and-Kruger's studies. So I'm particularly interested in the fact that you're only skeptical of the latter.

Anyway, some interpret Godel to have proven that you can't avoid contradictions in math — Gregory

No. That's not what he did. He exhibited a proposition in arithmetic that is not provable, and, that its negation is also not provable.

at the most abstract level standard math maps out the impossible. — Gregory

I'm curious to know how.

The more math you know the less math you know,in a way. 2+2 equals anything but four. — Gregory

In what sense do you make that assertion? Clearly, from a certain angle it's a contradiction but you probably have something else in mind.

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