• Banno
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    They'll be able to show you what a conscious person looks like. To answer you question...

    what dose consciousness look like?Pop

    But it won't work with rocks. That's my point.
  • Wheatley
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    There's no possible experiment you can do to show that a rock is conscious. Panpsychism is complete speculation.
  • Pop
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    The obvious answer to the OP is that we are part of the fabric of the universe!

    So what is most conscious in the universe?

    edit: Is a rock a part of the universe?
  • Banno
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    speculationWheatley

    yes... speculation...
  • Wheatley
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    speculationBanno
    I'm sure you can think of a better word.
  • Wheatley
    2.3k
    Is 'conjecture' any better?
  • Wheatley
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    a) Panpsychism is wild guesswork.

    b) Panpsychism is wild speculation.

    c) Panpsychism is a wild conjecture.

    d) Panpsychism is wildly misguided.

    e) Not wild.

    f) None of the above.

    g) Fuck this assignment.

    Which answer is most correct?
  • Banno
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    "...misguided."
  • Eugen
    702
    As to the possibility of consciousness beyond human level consciousness, there doesn't seem to be a legitimate domain, apart from the inner and outer worlds, to expand awareness into. However, some may be of the opinion that advancing toward, what some claim, the true nature of reality which will probably include perfect understanding of the outer and inner worlds, qualifies as progressing through different levels of consciousness.TheMadFool

    Your argument makes sense and I admit I haven't thought about this so far. Thank you!

    If we knew we could tell if a rock is conscious!Pop

    I think this is a trap! I think panpsychism sees a rock as a non-consciouss entity, but rather a physical object made of many elementary entities, each one containing consciousness properties. But the material that makes a rock doesn't have ''conductivity'' properties, so the consciousness of each elementary pparticle does not connect with other in order to form something bigger in that sense,
  • Eugen
    702
    Panpsychism is complete speculation.Wheatley

    Yes, but that doesn't mean it has no potential to reveal truths.
  • Wheatley
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    Yes, but that doesn't mean it has no potential to reveal truths.Eugen
    What 'truths' do you want to be revealed?
  • Eugen
    702
    For example if consciousness is fundamental.
  • Wheatley
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    For example if consciousness is fundamental.Eugen
    Until they come up with a viable scientific experiment, nothing is going to be revealed by panpsychism. It's a pretty much useless theory as it stands.
  • Eugen
    702
    Until they come up with a viable scientific experiment, nothing is going to be revealed by panpsychism. It's a pretty much useless theory as it stands.Wheatley

    I don't see it like this. Yes, it is just a theory and it does not claim it is more than that. Even if it has no empirocal evidence yet, it has a strong logic behind.
  • Wheatley
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    I don't see it like this. Yes, it is just a theory and it does not claim it is more than that. Even if it has no empirocal evidence yet, it has a strong logic behind.Eugen
    Suppose it does have "strong" logic behind it, it doesn't make it any more useful than the theory of the luminiferous ether, or reincarnation for that matter.
  • Forgottenticket
    212
    This is actually a good question. If we get a materialist account of consciousness then it stands to reason the bandwidth could be expanded and so you could have super-human consciousness
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