Terrapin Station: Your recent post in this thread - I've only just noticed it - that as an atheist you don't think our situation could in principle be described as logicaly descended from some unknown primal cause but that nonetheless you simultaineously do think it might result from 'natural causes' : This enigmatic view strikes me as a particular example of impenetrable confusion - unless that is, alone among men, you are aware of a species of relation existing between phenomena unrelated to 'cause-and-effect'. (Love to be informed on this super-human insight). Talk about ilogical and, 'laughing out loud'? Well - "'tis the season to be merry" and - your attempts at point-scoring have certainly succeeded in creating some mirth! Once again - Merry Xmas! :)