You must have missed that. To answer this: — Benkei
There was a sentence in the article that stated that greater access to hospitalization was another reason for their low death rate, but there were no supporting facts for that. That statement is common sense, but it's contradicted by the article I cited where they showed those receiving hospitalization in New York had a very low rate of survival. — Hanover
That statement is common sense, but it's contradicted by the article I cited where they showed those receiving hospitalization in New York had a very low rate of survival. — Hanover
Overall, about 20% of Covid-19 patients treated at Northwell Health died, and 88% of those placed on ventilators died
It's not greater acces but earlier access and your article doesn't prove the opposite at all because it doesn't go into when people are admitted into the hospital and the severity of their symptoms at the time. — Benkei
Receiving hospitalization or mechanical ventilation? — frank
Overall, about 20% of Covid-19 patients treated at Northwell Health died, and 88% of those placed on ventilators died
I'll pass that along. I don't think they realized that. — frank
This is a clinician giving his general assessment based upon what it feels like on the ground. Second, it's entirely possible he's treating patients who were never going to deteriorate anyway, so he's providing unneeded treatment. What standard does he have to show that a particular patient was one of the rare ones who was going to exhibit serious symptoms and so he therefore ventilated prior to their being critical? Has the protocol of random testing in order to obtain early diagnosis and then immediate hospitalization with ventilation been tested against another protocol?
And has any of this analysis been tested against a better cross-section of people other than the German population so that we can screen for populations that happen not to be in their 40s and in generally good health? — Hanover
This is based on existing protocol which is science based. Try again. — Benkei
That's what the evidence is in fact showing. Google this "do ventilators help covid patients" — Hanover
Medicine isn't research based for the most part. — frank
A world where there are ventilators has a lot less deaths due to respiratory failure than one which has no ventilators. It's not like ventilators are a covid specific thing, they're for respiratory failure. — fdrake
Well of course. Use respirators where they ought be used, but maybe not for covid. If they don't work for those patients and they possibly hasten their death, then let's not get in such a frenzy to make sure they are plentiful enough for covid patients. — Hanover
Almost everyone currently on a ventilator dies. — fdrake
Would we stop using defibrillators if we found out they only worked 20% of the time? — Baden
President Hanover issues a decree where patients currently on ventilators stop using them due to inconclusive evidence that they do not help. — fdrake
If they killed people, we'd stop using them. — Hanover
The treatment protocol is fluid at best but there is emeging correlation between when a COVID 19 patient is vented and the survival rate. — ArguingWAristotleTiff
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