• Frank Apisa
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    I guess it's possible. No?frank

    It definitely is possible, Frank.

    It also is possible that I will hit our states lottery tomorrow night...and win $6 to $8 million.
  • frank
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    definitely is possible, Frank.

    It also is possible that I will hit our states lottery tomorrow night...and win $6 to $8 million.
    Frank Apisa

    So it was racist? Ok.

    The racism angle is a gimmick, but yes, there was racism, and it's an important issue, but it's trivialized by association with the British royal family, and therefore we can't be seen caring about it.
  • Baden
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    So it was racist? Ok.frank

    That was a bit too easy. According to my research, there's a good chance it wasn't deliberately racist. You'd have to believe in intentional career suicide over it being a stupid mistake. But it's a Roseanne-type issue, we'll probably never know.
  • Baden
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    I don't know about all this. But bugger hereditary privilege anyway.
  • fishfry
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    Similarly fishfry has his own speculative narrative built up from his interpretation of the facts (and for some reason is even more inordinately sure of himself).Baden

    I'd have gladly stuck around for intelligent dialog; but once I was told to "step off" it was either tell that individual to FUCK off, or depart the conversation. It's not that I don't know how to be a rude asshole; I just prefer not to interact with people who choose that mode of communication. And if they flip out every time someone goes slightly off-topic in an online discussion thread, they must flip out alot. But in this case I don't think that was the problem. I think I triggered that individual's delicate political sensibilities and they didn't have the wit to engage on the topic of the psychodynamics of male-female relationships. As I say you could study Jungian archetypes or Berne's "Games People Play" or the collected works of Sigmund Freud to find this Royal couple described as the ancient archetypes and scripts they are acting out.

    I actually noted that by calling my remarks "sexist" and reaching for the smelling salts, that poster demonstrated how people these days are brainwashed by political ideology to the point that they have no interest at all in human nature. But I gave some classic authors on the subject, you could go read their books and look them up and thereby gain much insight into your own behavior. People don't look inward anymore, they like to make everything political.

    So, genuine concern over a genuine issue or poking the market for profit? Mixed bag at best.Baden

    I stated my opinion and I stand by it. But I have no concern, I'm not actually a follower of the Royals. I only pay attention when the latest scandal is so ubiquitous in the news that I can't avoid it. I'm interested in the psychodynamics of the relationship, but I don't care one way or another about them as people.

    You know why Americans love the Royals? We get to enjoy the pomp, the circumstance, and the salacious scandals, and we don't have to pay for it. That honor belongs to the British people.

    But if you are asking if I sometimes like to poke the politically correct, well of course, it's great sport.
  • Frank Apisa
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    ↪Frank Apisa
    So it was racist? Ok.
    — frank

    That was a bit too easy. According to my research, there's a good chance it wasn't deliberately racist. You'd have to believe in intentional career suicide over it being a stupid mistake. But it's a Roseanne-type issue, we'll probably never know.
    Baden

    Not sure of what your "research" entailed, Baden, but of course it may have been just a silly mistake. I do not know Danny Baker...and he may be a total ass. But I think anyone looking at the picture should have realized there was a racial implication in it. To put it in one's Twitter feed...is, if not racial, incredibly stupid.

    I think the public reaction "it was racial" is a lot more understandable than "it was an innocent mistake." In any case, it would not surprise me to find that Harry, not Meghan, was the one who took the bull by the horns, so to speak. I think it quite possible he relived the death of his mother at the hands of out-of-control press...and decided to see if he could get his family away from the nonsense.

    We may never know. But in my opinion, Baker got what he deserved whether because he was being evil or because he was being stupid.
  • Pelle
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    The US doesn't have an illustrious past, and instead has a history of struggling to survive. American white supremacism is directly related to fears about the survival of "white culture" and America itself amidst the stresses of becoming multi-racial.

    Tbh I think that this is a general narrative among all white supremacists. Europe sure has an illustrious past, yet white supremacists there echo the same narrative with a sprinkle of "white genocide".
  • unenlightened
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    there's a good chance it wasn't deliberately racist.Baden

    Manslaughter, not murder, then? I'm sure the corpse would be relieved. Accidental, thoughtless, deniable racism is the rule; only complete fuckwits deliberately talk about piccaninnies and letterboxes or institute hostile environments these days.
  • Punshhh
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    We may never know. But in my opinion, Baker got what he deserved whether because he was being evil or because he was being stupid.
    Agreed, my take on it was that he had a reputation for silly gags like this with racial overtones and got caught out. His excuse was not credible, he claimed that he didn't realise she was mixed race.

    On the racist narrative, there is an undertow of endemic racism in the vilification, but a large slice of sexism, because Meghan is a successful celebrity and another slice of wanting to speak out for good causes. It's a heady cocktail of misogenoir and the press can't help themselves in their wallowing in the gutter.
  • Baden
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    His excuse was not credible, he claimed that he didn't realise she was mixed race.Punshhh

    Either he was stupid enough to not realise she was mixed race and was just poking fun at royals in general or he was stupid enough to deliberately commit career suicide. Both seem incredible to me, but it's one or the other.



    No, if his excuse is true, there's no crime at all. That's a possibility. Don't paint me as defending racist fucks like Johnson because I raised it.
  • Baden
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    Anyway, excuse me for trying to express a rational thought. I couldn't be further arsed.
  • unenlightened
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    Royalty is itself a racial term. To make the monkey comparison with them is also racist.

    And yeah your arse and mine and 180's can discuss this further on a gold plated toilet seat when hell freezes.
  • Punshhh
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    I remember hearing Danny Baker trying to give an excuse when he was doorstepped the day after he was caught out. He said he was mortified when someone told him Meghan was mixed race (and the interesting bit for me), he had thought of using a picture of the chimp because they were royals and it was a silly jape about their unearned privelidge, or inbred genes or something like that. Of course he would have got away with that, if racism hadn't been implied.

    Time to forget about Baker I think and get back to the story about the press treatment of Meghan and Harry.
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