• Qmeri
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    Internet gives us many things - entertainment, knowledge and even social relationships. Very nice.

    But why are the new top people of the western world things like Elon Musk and Donald Trump? WTF? Whatever ones political leanings are in the world that shouldn't seem right.

    We have easier access to more and higher quality information than ever. But our great leaders emphasize more and more primitive techniques: "I Strong - I Win!" "I Smart - I Technology Better!". Does anyone actually use the internet beyond the clickbait?

    Musk has said that all his dozens of projects have been cheaper ways to do more. Only the Tesla model 3 seems to be so. Most others have been demonstrable failures or more expensive or have never even progressed to be anything demonstrable. But he will get inevitably to Mars since he gets pretty much all the funding he needs for whatever project he comes up with. Not because of scientific proofs and demonstrations but because he has charisma and the means to market himself for his audience.

    For Trump... pretty much the same story. A man who understands the internet and has the charisma and the means to market himself for his audience. Unintuitive and unemotional things like science are less and less relevant.

    And all this is a side quirk of the internet. Yesterday we relied on large and probably somewhat corrupt sources like the news. But at least those sources could be criticized. The scientific community could be loudly hard on a specific source. Other competing sources could be hard on other sources.

    But how can the scientific community be hard on a tweet? On a youtube video? Or on almost anything else relevant on the modern internet? Anyone can claim anything to be science and almost no one checks the sources and on controversial issues there are always too many corrupt sources for basic checking to even matter.

    I like the internet - it gives me many things I love. I hate what it does to mankind. Fuck you, mankind!
  • Brett
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    Who exactly are you angry at?
  • Qmeri
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    Those, who have started to emphasize things like intuition on their evaluation of their sources instead of the critical evaluation of the easily available data on the internet.
  • BC
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    Qmeri, human behavior has ALWAYS bounced back and forth between laudable and lamentable. The Internet is, indeed, a tremendously useful amalgam of technologies. Inventing it was laudable. Donald Trump's narcissistic self-infatuation is lamentable, and he'd be that way with or without the Internet. Ditto for whatever ails Elon Musk.

    There is a lot of excellent information made available through the Internet, but there is also a lot of slop. Libraries didn't have the problem of accumulating slop because laudable librarians didn't let it happen. There is a lamentable lack of librarians looking after the Internet.

    Just a note, you are part of mankind, so... whatever ails mankind probably ails you too. Me as well.
  • Qmeri
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    Just a note, you are part of mankind, so... whatever ails mankind probably ails you too. Me as well.Bitter Crank

    Fuck you, 90% of mankind!
  • BC
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    I'm not sure what percentage of mankind are assholes, but it certainly could be as high as 90%. Clearly you and me are superior beings.
  • TheMadFool
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    If you ask me, the internet is as close to a perfect reflection of humanity as possible. Every bit of information about us, each and every possible coloration the human chameleon can take on, is on it. If one likes it then that implies that there's something inherently good about us; if one dislikes it then it must be that we have traits that we prefer not to have. Assuming, of course, that the judge of such things is himself well and not deluded by the same afflictions.

    If there's anything good/bad about the internet then it's the facsimile of human achievements and failures, our wisdom and stupidity, our joy and suffering, our strengths and weaknesses, that it maintains for all to see, rejoice or lament.
  • fishfry
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    A man who understands the internet and has the charisma and the means to market himself for his audience.Qmeri

    But enough about Obama, who ran a brilliant social media campaign.

    https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2017/01/did-america-need-a-social-media-president/512405/

    You know FDR used radio for his "fireside chats" to speak directly to the American people using the latest technology of his day. Isn't it perfectly natural for politicians to use the latest communication technology? If FDR lived today he'd be on Twitter.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fireside_chats
  • Qmeri
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    You know FDR used radio for his "fireside chats" to speak directly to the American people using the latest technology of his day. Isn't it perfectly natural for politicians to use the latest communication technology? If FDR lived today he'd be on Twitter.fishfry

    Not disagreeing with you here. I'm just relatively angry with the fact that the internet made personal critical evaluation of information so easy that it should have made highly marketed ways of thought less relevant. And it seems like the marketing won in the last decade and it became even more relevant. I'm giving up and just accepting that mankind will probably always fail no matter how much easier technology will make things for us.

    Happy 2020s!
  • fishfry
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    Not disagreeing with you here. I'm just relatively angry with the fact that the internet made personal critical evaluation of information so easy that it should have made highly marketed ways of thought less relevant. And it seems like the marketing won in the last decade and it became even more relevant. I'm giving up and just accepting that mankind will probably always fail no matter how much easier technology will make things for us.Qmeri

    I quite agree. The Internet was going to change the world for the better but in many very serious ways made it worse. Just look at China's social credit system and ubiquitous surveillance tied to facial recognition all controlled by AI. And in the US we have our own version of that kind of control, but it's enforced by corporations acting on behalf of the state, instead of by the state directly. That's because in the US we have "freedom." Or what's left of it.

    The world's become a techno-dystopia before our eyes.

    Happy 2020s!Qmeri

    Likewise!
  • RegularGuy
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    I was under the (false?) impression that the Internet was created for the dissemination of pornography.
  • Pantagruel
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    The latest study I read shows that students who use the internet occasionally show measurable improvement in test scores over non-internet users. Those who use it constantly show a marked decrease.

    I think it's pretty clear, if you use the internet as a tool, it can be a very good thing. If you use it as a crutch, your mind is going to atrophy. And actual usage trends show which way we are heading....
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