• S
    11.4k
    If change isn't possible, how are people responding to this thread?Terrapin Station

    They're not. It's an illusion. Like the value of philosophical discussions of this sort.
  • elucid
    42
    When someone disagrees with the statement, "A circle and a square are always different." That person is saying that "A circle and a square are sometimes the same." It is hard to make some comments on what that person is saying because it is very hard to understand what that means.
  • Jimmy
    15
    If magic mushrooms existed in front of you, you could eat them so they won't exist, and then the circle might even turn into a square? who knows?
  • elucid
    42
    I would appreciate comments on the following as well.

    A circle is always a circle. To disagree is to say a circle is always not a circle, or sometimes a circle is not a circle.
  • god must be atheist
    588
    Hi,

    I would like comments on the following statements. It is about change.

    Statement 1:

    A circle is never the same as anything that is not a circle. Therefore, a circle is something that is never anything that is not a circle.

    Statement 2:

    Something existent is never the same as something non-existent. Therefore, something existent is something that is never non-existent.
    elucid

    Change the stupid circle into a triangle or something. The circle ceases to be a circle, because it was cahnged into a triangle.

    What's the actual problem here, or the topic even?
  • elucid
    42
    Change the stupid circle into a triangle or something. The circle ceases to be a circle, because it was cahnged into a triangle.

    Once this circle becomes a triangle, what is that circle at this moment?
  • god must be atheist
    588
    Once this circle becomes a triangle, what is that circle at this moment?elucid

    This circle is not existent at the moment. It has been changed, or it changed, into a triangle.

    I thought that the original topic was "change is impossible". Well, it is not. If you change a circle, a triangle, a geodesic tri-point transformation of an ancient Indian burial ground into something else, you've made the change.

    I can't see any difficulty there.
  • elucid
    42
    This circle is not existent at the moment. It has been changed, or it changed, into a triangle.

    I thought that the original topic was "change is impossible". Well, it is not. If you change a circle, a triangle, a geodesic tri-point transformation of an ancient Indian burial ground into something else, you've made the change.

    I can't see any difficulty there.

    If something changing means it becoming non-existent, then we should be dead by now.
  • god must be atheist
    588
    Not all of us. Only those of us who are changed into a dead body. As long as we are alive bodies, we ought not to be dead. Live bodies have simply not changed into dead bodies.

    You may want to argue that our experiences from day to day change our psyche, and our metabolism and aging process and diseases change our physical being. In that case, one person is changed into another person. The person went from one formation to another formation, in other words, changed, and s/he is a different person. But s/he does not need to be dead to be different from what s/he had been. Two different people can coexist or exist in chronolgical sequence. There is no need to die to go into inexistence... if you change, your old self goes into inexistence, and a new self is created, but no death needs to be involved in this.
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