All moral transgressors share the mentality of high school goths, — Three-Buddy Problem
Civilization as we know it: you don't have to give so much fuck. — Three-Buddy Problem
I don't see how I'm not slowing you down already. And I don't need to be Einstein to spot a straw man. — Three-Buddy Problem
Which is exactly why I'm proposing the model in the first place, a hypothetical society that's more progressive than the current one! — Three-Buddy Problem
That's it, I'm done arguing with you. — Three-Buddy Problem
Jesus Christ. Even though the argument is over, l — Three-Buddy Problem
''don't have to give so much fuck'', I meant that you don't need to hit the transgressor by yourself — Three-Buddy Problem
moral transgressions themselves are prevented by people not giving a fuck altogether; — Three-Buddy Problem
However, you're somewhat correct about the fact that the existence of civilization itself is a result of ''giving a fuck'', — Three-Buddy Problem
This is a misunderstanding that my aim is to destroy morality. — Three-Buddy Problem
For a transgressor, happiness lies within breaking the most crucial rules of society; — Three-Buddy Problem
I think he’s just rejecting your conclusion entirely on the grounds that it simply wouldn’t work because it relies on the existence of an ideal world where everyone is rational and well educated. — Mark Dennis
know you understand you are employing a genetic fallacy here — Mark Dennis
That would require something equivalent to setting up a prison state inside myself. IOW John's argument would be even stronger in related to my giving a fuck. Why should my giving a fuck be more problematic and less causes by society than this stealing?My solution to this conundrum is, please don't laugh, to ''not give a fuck''. That is, you don't give a fuck that John stole your stuff--in fact, you don't give fuck about ANYTHING that would be considered transgressions towards you. — Three-Buddy Problem
I truly doubt that. I don't see the causal chain.Sure, this may sound ludicrous and counterintuitive, but think about this:
The less fucks you give about your property, the less John would want to STEAL your property.
The difficult part is that this solution can only work if EVERYONE in a given society sticks to it. But once everyone does, society as we know it would be so much better that the conventional concept of morality becomes obsolete.
The misunderstanding would be on your part. Giving a fuck about interpersonal behavior is what morality is in a nutshell. — Terrapin Station
I think the problem is even deeper. To not give a shit about what other people do (to you) requires not giving a shit about everything. A person might knock the ice cream out of your hand on the sidewalk. You can't care that you are not eating ice cream. Extend this to the full range of desires, and not getting them. This is stopping a desire. Then you have the giving you unpleasant experiences. Pouring water on you in winter. Taking your car so you have to walk. Extend this to all unpleasant experiences. To maintain not giving a fuck you can no longer dislike unpleasant experiences and prefer ones you want. You can no longer prefer, desire, want to avoid. You would be, basically, a motivationless creature. All states and experiences would be the same to you. Civilization, even continued existence, would collapse. Why work? Live? Eat? make? kiss? Homo sapiens ends on a shrug. — Coben
You: John shouldn't have had been a thief because it's destructive to society, even though that's exactly what society have molded him into.
John: I have no reason to NOT be a thief because that's what society molded me into, even though you lost your stuff as a result. — Three-Buddy Problem
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