Yes, I was wondering what exactly Dfpolis has in mind by the term "being." Although if God is completely unlimited in ability to act the point becomes moot, since that would include the ability to act in all the ways that one would attribute to a sentient being. — Theologian
Well, but what is acting? Are we talking about shape-shifting, or? If so, then we are talking about an old man in the sky sometimes. It would just be that we're not only talking about that. — Terrapin Station
Yet placing God, or at least God's ability to act, wholly inside this universe seems to be a premise of your argument. Remember: post Einstein, time is very much a part of the fabric of this universe. So it is difficult to say that God exists outside of time and yet is somehow constrained by the limits of the universe. — Theologian
I can't speak for Dfpolis, but I'm guessing he might draw a distinction between actually acting, vs simply having the ability to act. So God can act as an old man in the sky, but probably just doesn't on account of the whole thing being... kinda stupid really... — Theologian
If we define the universe as everything then God must be within it by definition — Devans99
Everything must also be finite — Devans99
But then we need to alternatively explain the major religions, who supposedly had their god(s) speaking to them.
Or is this supposed to be a proof for a god that bears no resemblance to the god of any major religion? — Terrapin Station
Proving a theorem amounts to demonstrating that it necessarily follows from the explicitly-stated axiomatic construction logic of the abstract, Platonic world in which it is provable. — alcontali
God is defined as the creator of the real, physical world. — alcontali
Therefore, to prove the theorem, we would need access to the axiomatic construction logic of the real, physical world, also called, the theory of everything (ToE). — alcontali
Still not entirely sure how you get to that. I'm not saying it isn't, but I'm not at all sure how you justify that claim in a positive sense. — Theologian
- If we define the universe as everything then God must be within it by definition
- Everything must also be finite — Devans99
Reality is constrained to what is logical
- Actual infinity comes with a bunch of illogical behaviours (see Hilbert's Hotel etc...) — Devans99
How are you arriving at that conclusion? — Terrapin Station
Well, but what is acting? Are we talking about shape-shifting, or? If so, then we are talking about an old man in the sky sometimes. It would just be that we're not only talking about that. — Terrapin Station
I can't speak for Dfpolis, but I'm guessing he might draw a distinction between actually acting, vs simply having the ability to act. So God can act as an old man in the sky, but probably just doesn't on account of the whole thing being... kinda stupid really... :razz: — Theologian
You would impress me more if you threw in something dumb. — christian2017
Contrast to actual infinity. ∞+1=∞. IE something that when you change it, it does not change. How is that logically. — Devans99
I can't stress this enough, you are brilliant! — christian2017
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