To stop that circle of suffering we need to take into account the feelings of others as well as our own feelings. — leo
To stop that circle of suffering we need to take into account the feelings of others as well as our own feelings. — leo
True, but even if we have the power to not suffer, we still need to be aware of how what we do impact what others feel — leo
I think that as long as we want to live and not want to die — leo
The problem with justice is we try to prevent people from causing suffering by making them suffer. — leo
Feelings and emotion, while they shouldn't be shunned, should always be treated with second thought. Misunderstanding our feelings is the primary reason we suffer, and not being honest to ourselves about the origin of such feelings. — Tzeentch
Ok, I'm not against such awareness, but I would also emphasize that we typically are not in a position to make anybody feel anything. — Jake
I think there's a problem simply with hinging anything on suffering. Especially if we're defining it so broadly as "anything that makes someone feel bad." You can't formulate criminal justice, ethics, etc. on that. Any arbitrary thing could make any arbitrary person feel bad. — Terrapin Station
While different things make different people suffer, we do all seem to have a common ground, that of desiring to live (except in cases where someone suffers so much that they want to die). And it seems also that we suffer when we interpret something as driving us away from what we desire. For instance if you want to live and you believe you're about to die you are gonna be suffering, or if you want to feel accepted by the people around you and they reject you you're gonna be suffering.
So based on that common ground, you can formulate a system where people suffer when they perceive something as threatening their survival. In fact many of the laws of our current judicial system are based on that principle, for instance it is forbidden to steal because those who are stolen from suffer when that happens, and as a community we don't want to suffer so we have enacted laws to prevent that from happening. But then in a contradictory move we make suffer the one who has stolen. Maybe he came to steal because he felt his survival was threatened and so he suffered, but there was no law in place that prevented him from suffering, no one cared about his suffering, and then we make him suffer more. — leo
Additionally, the idea that no one should ever feel bad is flawed. Plenty of worthwhile things can only be had by feeling bad at some point in the process.
For example, working out at a gym. The end result of that is worthwhile. But it's going to make you feel bad, too, because you're going to be sore at times, you're not going to feel like going at times--you need to push yourself, etc. — Terrapin Station
FIrst, you say "we all have a common ground," whereupon you immediately note that we dont even all have that in common, and then you go on to talk about suffering far more broadly in a way that again makes the idea of basing anything on suffering absurd. — Terrapin Station
You say the idea of basing anything on suffering is absurd, so are you then saying the current judicial system and the declaration of human rights and medicine are absurd? — leo
Well, criminal justice and medicine and the declaration of human rights are all there to prevent suffering — leo
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