• SicklerTroy
    6
    In representative realism, the idea of gaining true justifiable knowledge is brought up through pre stemmed ideas- All the knowledge we gain, we already have seeded in our mind, and the act of gaining knowledge, or viewing something is just a trigger.- This however, raises questions as to where these ideas stem from, and puts a question on whether everyone has these ideas. The theory of Perpetual Representative Realism however, has an unfalsifiable source of these ideas and in addition, uses the higher conscience to prove truths, and connects beleifs to those truths. Thus, it is a way to attain certain knowledge.

    Firstly, Perpetual Representative Realism is a sound and valid way to achieve certain knowledge, because it proves the truth of ones experience. To illustrate, if a person walking down the street encounters a mailbox. He/she comes to the conclusion that the mailbox is in fact there, because he/she has made the connection of it being a mailbox using his/her higher conscience. To elaborate, this connection to the mailbox can be made due to the fact that, the idea of the mailbox is stored in the higher conscience through past, present, or future experiences. It can however be argued, that the mailbox encountered by the person, is not real. In addition, it can be argued that there is no way to prove the existence of that mailbox. This however, is an incorrect assessment as in order for the person to know he/she is encountering a mailbox, he/she must have a triggered idea in his/her higher conscience. If there is no mailbox, then it is impossible for that trigger to work. To elaborate, while yes, the existence of the mailbox can be questioned, the person’s encounter with it, on the other hand, can not. This is because, the only way for him/her to trigger the idea of the mailbox, is by encountering one. To summarise, the idea of the mailbox being triggered serves as evidence for the econcounter being true: if there was no mailbox, there would be no trigger.

    Secondly, Perpetual Representative Realism is a better alternative to Representative realism as it answers -in an unfalsifiable way- how ideas are triggered, and where the ideas are seeded from. This theory works on an individualistic level, and deals with a higher conscience comprised of our past, present, and future experiences. We are able to store our past experiences into this conscience because, those experiences were once our present, and thus every detail is stored as knowledge; i.e. a pencil in our past is stored as such, giving us the ability to connect any other pencils as a pencil. We are able to know what a pencil is -in the sense of the fact that it is there- because our higher conscience is also formed of future knowledge: The pencil being stored in our conscience from the past stays there, and thus, in that moment it is there because our future self has already experienced it. Therefore, we are able to know it is a pencil at any point in time. We know there is a future self because, any point in time we experience is the present. We therefore, know that the present exists, and if we connect that to the fact that our future self is also living in his/her relative present -just like we are- we know the future exists. This works as, all three parts of oneself -past, present, future- exist concurrently. i.e. a person being born is also simultaneously dying. In both cases, the person is in his/her relative present. So in a way, the higher conscience is actually just comprised of a person’s relative present at different points in time, however for the sake of this argument, we can simplify it to the past, present, and future. In contrast, representative realism proposes multiple -falsifiable- alternatives to where the ideas stem from. One of which is god. In order for this to be plausible, the existence of god must be proven and thus, this alternative is unusable. It can however be argued that It is impossible to prove the existence of our past, and future selves. It is only possible to prove the existence of our present selves, and therefore, Perpetual Representative Realism provides us with an unusable paradigm. This however is an incorrect assessment because, in order for Perpetual Representative Realism to work, the existence of ones present self is the only thing that needs to be proven. This can be proven by following the logic of “I think therefore I am.” In addition, the point of time one exists in, is -by definition- the present, and thus, ones present self is proven. Furthermore, this logic can apply to the same person across any point in time, and thus, objectively someone’s future self, and past self is their relative present, meaning that they can indeed exist in the future or past as long as relatively, they are in the present. Finally, if all of that is combined, and the conscience is comprised of ones relative present from different points in time, the conscience is able to contain -objectively- past, present, and future experiences. This paired with the fact that, ones objective past, present, and future self are concurrently in existence, provides an unfalsifiable paradigm.

    Thirdly, once the seeded ideas are triggered, and serve as evidence to the truth of ones experience, the experience itself, allows one to associate that truth, to a belief. To illustrate, if a person is walking down the street, and comes in contact with a mailbox, he/she can know that this experience is true, and that there is in fact a mailbox in front of him/her, because he/she wouldn’t have triggered that idea otherwise. However, there is another element at play, that translates this encounter, from a truth to certain knowledge. The missing element is belief. Belief is what plays in, through experiences, also stored in ones higher conscience. Ones higher conscience allows one to connect his/her experience to his/her belief of what that idea is. In this case, whilst the person knows that his/her experience is true, he /she also knows -through past, present, or future experience,- that it is indeed a mailbox. Knowing what one encounters is where belief plays in. This combined with truth of the experience with the mailbox, provides one with certain knowledge of the mailbox. In opposition however, it can be argued that there is no way to prove that the said mailbox is, in fact a mailbox. The mailbox could easily be the construct of a delusional person, and the wrong thing could be associated with the word mailbox. This argument however, does not hold up as under the provided paradigm of Perpetual Representative Realism, it is impossible to associate the wrong belief with the wrong truth. Every idea present in ones conscience, stems from a collection of experiences with a given object, or person. This ensures that when a person comes in contact with an object again, he/she associates the knowledge -truth of the experience, and belief of what that experience is,- gained from his/her higher conscience, to what he/she is in contact with in their relative present. It is therefore, impossible for him/her to associate an incorrect truth to a belief, or vice versa.

    In summation, Perpetual Representative Realism is a valid, and sound way to gain certain knowledge. It is so, due to it being impossible to falsify, it having the ability to validate an experience as something true, and it having the ability to associate a belief to that truth. Therefore, Perpetual Representative Realism serves as a sound explanation as to how one gains knowledge.
  • Streetlight
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    How strange. A kind of epistemic occasionalism, or occasionalist anamnesis.

    In any case, the so-called 'higher consciousness' is simply a god-of-the-gaps style invocation. It explains nothing and itself demands explanation.
  • BlueBanana
    873
    This is because, the only way for him/her to trigger the idea of the mailbox, is by encountering one.SicklerTroy

    Not true; they could also encounter something they mistook for a mailbox, including a picture, a hallucination, an artificial electric signal sent into their brain, a real physical object that might in appearance be similar to a mailbox, etc etc.
  • SicklerTroy
    6


    Yeah, but that can be argued away by stating that he/she misinterpreted the object, and that if he/she had interpreted it properly, he/she would've been able to properly identify it
  • BlueBanana
    873
    What would have happened is irrelevant. The idea was still triggered by something else than a mailbox.
  • SicklerTroy
    6
    Regardless the theory still stands because, if everything is a representation of a physical object, the contingency of someone misinterpreting something can simply mean, that the physical representation was mistook by that one person, as opposed to the theory being wrong.
  • khaled
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    To elaborate, while yes, the existence of the mailbox can be questioned, the person’s encounter with it, on the other hand, can not. This is because, the only way for him/her to trigger the idea of the mailbox, is by encountering one.SicklerTroy

    This is circular reasoning

    objectively someone’s future self, and past self is their relative present, meaning that they can indeed exist in the future or past as long as relatively, they are in the present.SicklerTroy

    The assumes the existence of future and past selves and is again circular reasoning

    Ones higher conscience allows one to connect his/her experience to his/her belief of what that idea is.SicklerTroy

    This is unprovable. There is no way to prove mappability between the subjective and objective world if that even exists

    This argument however, does not hold up as under the provided paradigm of Perpetual Representative Realism, it is impossible to associate the wrong belief with the wrong truth.SicklerTroy

    Again, unproven premise.

    It is therefore, impossible for him/her to associate an incorrect truth to a belief, or vice versa.SicklerTroy

    Are you implying illusions don't exist?

    This paradigm literally assumes all of itself, it is not based on anything so I'm not sure why I would wanna use this one in particular. It doesn't seem to have any particular advantages from what I can see
  • Metaphysician Undercover
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    This is because, the only way for him/her to trigger the idea of the mailbox, is by encountering one.SicklerTroy

    Have you never heard of association? What triggers "the idea" is association, not encountering the very same object again. The encounter of the mailbox triggers an association and the person encountering is inclined to think of the thing encountered as a mailbox. To trigger the idea of a mail box does not require encountering one, it requires an association.

    When I hear a certain song, it triggers the idea of my mother, because she used to sing that song to me when I was a child. It is clearly not the case that the only way to trigger the idea of my mother is by encountering my mother.

    Your argument is supported by a false premise.
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    7
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