Caliing #JeremyCorbyn: Sapientia has transformed into a self-serving Tory. Please excommunicate him forthwith. Thanks!

Return the accidentally pilfered ring before it is no longer accidental.

I'm not a Tory. :lol:

That wouldn't be in my interest, and neither would handing back the wallet. But not everything is about self-interest, and I draw the line at some things. Selling arms to Saudi Arabia, who have used those arms to bomb school children on a bus, is on a whole 'nother scale.

I suggest putting on the ring and going on a quest.

Simple. Contact them and ask them if you can have it. If they say "yes" keep it. If they say "no" then they need it.

That could make a good story: Boy steals ring; boy goes on quest with ring; quest reveals boy shouldn't have stolen ring as halfway through quest booby-trapped ring explodes blowing boy's hand off. Boy learns valuable lesson and owner of ring gets revenge. Happy ending all round. :100:

I once tried to keep a purse (wallet, keys, phone, etc.) I found on campus. It had $110 bucks in it. I wanted to keep the money, but I felt too guilty about converting a find into a theft. Finally I turned it in (it took a week to get to that point).

On the one hand, I felt that I did the right thing. On the other hand, I really wanted the money. I felt... inadequate for not having enough nerve to just ditch the purse and keep the money. That was 18 years ago. I am still stewing over the decision.

Delaying a week probably cost the woman at least $100 in screwing around getting keys replaced, new IDs, credit cards, license, worrying about what somebody was doing with her stuff (performing black magic in her purse, laying a curse on her ...)

You pass the tinman test for having a heart (just about). @Sapientia needs to go see the wizard. :starstruck:

The Tin Man might not have had a heart, but he was not "heartless".

Illogical Spock. Return to Vulcan for retraining. :razz:

... But oh, OK, you win. Just keep an eye on your wallet when Sap is around. :eyes:

Simple. Contact them and ask them if you can have it. If they say "yes" keep it. If they say "no" then they need it. — Lif3r

This is actually the best answer.

Return the accidentally pilfered ring before it is no longer accidental. — StreetlightX

:up:

Strictly speaking Sam Sam has a contract for model train parts, not for a ring so there's also a legal obligation to return it as it is otherwise theft. The other party, if it would discover its mistake, would have a claim as well. The only reason you probably think there's no legal obligation is because there's nobody who knows what happened that has an interest in starting proceedings to recover the ring.

I'd say that's arguable. Is there a contract for model train parts, or for a box of junk? Was there a label? It's part of the game to find something that the seller doesn't know the value of, the ming vase in the box of ugly ornaments.

Simple. Contact them and ask them if you can have it. If they say "yes" keep it. If they say "no" — Lif3r

...keep it. :snicker:

My brain plays tricks on me and always goes to dilemmas presented in films like The Butterfly Effect in scenarios like these.

Anyone getting this drift or am I just tripping?

You could invert it and say Sapientia would have done the right thing had it been a Robin Hood type scenario.

From the horse's mouth:

I recently bought a box of model railroad stuff at a yard sale

. Not very arguable if you ask me.

that is what I doing - thanks

Update - I have sent a message to the seller explaining what happened. I will return the ring if he wants it.

How do we know the diamond wasn't part of the set, part of a scene depicting the shipment of diamonds mined by children?

If not that, but a mistake, why did the missus remove her ring other than to commit adultery with another model train enthusiast, a crime punishable by stoning?

Abusers of children, adulterers, just horrible people. Keep the ring. Don't associate with low lifes like this.

pick up a $2000 refrigerator from Sears, for example, and they charge you $8.99; — tim wood

A hypothetical asking I assume someone shopped at Sears is too fanciful to wrap my head around.

Well done. I'm sure a lot of people wouldn't make that decision. :up:

wow - I had no idea!

:clap: @Sam Sam

I recently bought a box of model railroad stuff at a yard sale, and when I got home, I found a diamond ring in there. What are your thoughts on the ethics of me keeping or returning the ring? — Sam Sam

I truly thought this was a hypothetical question, where in which I was playing the part of the woman who did lose her ring and was coming forward searching for it. I don't know what the legal obligation is to posting a Found flyer or in a local newspaper, like you do have to do if you find a dog, for the first 7 days before you can claim it legally yours.

There is some Karma/energy that is passed through what some call "blood money" which is money obtained at the expense of another. I was working at an Irish Bar when I found a Horseshoe shaped man's ring with 8 diamonds in it on the floor. I talked to the bartender because we were a local watering hole and with as many regulars as we had, chances are if we put a sign up on the bar that we found this ring and ask for a description that would surely find it's owner. A week later no one claimed it and they gave it to me. Woo Hoo! I stopped at the jeweler on the way home and played with setting the 8 diamonds in a lady's setting. Designed, submitted for the changes, opened up my first line of credit for all of $150 to pay for the new setting. WOW! This doing the right thing was really coming true as I was approved!

I wore that ring, pawned it for cash I needed, $40 and within 60 days I had it back on my hand. I must have pawned that ring at least 5 times and got it back 6 times. Money got easier and I no longer needed to pawn it but loved the ring dearly. It was within 2 years that the ring went missing from my life. I looked everywhere for it as it was a one of a kind but it never turned up.

Do you suppose that the original Horseshoe ring I found already had 'pawn' like energies in it? Was it only to be mine for a while? Did the person who found my ring look for me or just pocket it like some have suggested? Or, as I have my gut suspicion, is it sitting in some Pawn shop's safe waiting to be picked up by it's current possessor? I doubt I will ever know.

:clap: From where I am sitting I think the choice you are making is a fair and well reasoned out. :up:

Ps. About how to upload an image? @Baden can direct you in that, I still use an outside source of https://postimages.org and it works for me.

I actually don't view the OP as an ethical dilemma. An ethical dilemma is where you have two possible responses to an ethical question and you can't figure out which is the most ethical. For example, I have a boat that is sinking and I have to throw one person overboard to save everyone else, who do I choose? Am I allowed to choose?, and questions like that.

The question of the OP is a character dilemma, as in, am I of ethical character high enough to do the right thing and return what isn't mine. An ethical dilemma asks the question "what is the right thing to do," not "should I do the right thing,"

great story! I'm glad it worked out.

My view on karma changed when my brother died of cancer last year - made it much harder for me to believe in karma.

I did send the seller a message through facebook this morning. If he does not reply in 7 days, is that equivalent to posting a sign?

I wore that ring, pawned it for cash I needed, $40 and within 60 days I had it back on my hand. I must have pawned that ring at least 5 times and got it back 6 times. — ArguingWAristotleTiff

You paid $150 to modify the ring and you could only pawn it for $40 and you did this 5 times? From my math, you paid $150 for the ring and extracted $200 out of it, all of which was repaid along with the usurious rates charged by pawn brokers, meaning that ring resulted in substantial losses to you. You'd have been better off never to have come across that cursed ring. My guess is that you didn't lose the ring but Satan reclaimed it and passed it on to someone more evil than you.

great story! I'm glad it worked out. — Sam Sam

Me too!

My view on karma changed when my brother died of cancer last year - made it much harder for me to believe in karma. — Sam Sam

I am so sorry to learn of your loss. Loss of a Grandparent is expected overtime, as our parents will one day pass as well but a sibling? Huggsss to you Sam Sam~ That is an unfathomable loss for me. I am not sure what to say, other than I don't know how you have made it this far but whatever has gotten you to today is working so keep on, keeping on. :hearts:

I did send the seller a message through facebook this morning. If he does not reply in 7 days, is that equivalent to posting a sign? — Sam Sam

Absolutely. :up: